I've been waiting for a Fit Si for a long time. It's an old formula,
one that's ripe for the picking: put the big motor in the small car.
Stick that 201hp motor inside, and let's go.
Shoot, even Lexus--the scaredy cat nanny car company--did that with the
My thought has been for a long time that in Honda's mind, they *do* have
a modern Prelude: the 6 speed V6 Accord coupe. I don't think we'll
shake them of that opinion.
that accord coupe is a purely usa creation. we're the only country in
the world that allows narrow angle rear light lenses - so that carp like
cadillac can retain its "styling".
every time honda panders to usa "input" on design and styling, they end
up with garbage. the usa-only civics, the ridgeline [omg, what a
pile!], and with the exception of the tl, maybe, all the acura lineup.
And when Steve Jobs refused to do "focus groups" and instead dictated
what was right by his standards, it came out right. People bought in
I agree--quit giving me crap that idiots think I should have.
I have to laugh--after 30 years, Ford finally has a global Focus while
Honda is busy with the US-only Civic.
good point - the focus has been a very successful vehicle here in the
bay area. and honda's most successful vehicles have been global, not
this again begs the question on how close the ties remain between honda
usa's current senior executive and their "former" detroit employer...
there is a "severe service" schedule for very hot and very cold
climates, but that link doesn't say anything about it. just like those
pages don't say what vehicle. the poster says what, but pages don't.
OK Al, I found my Accord's Owner Manual online in PDF format that you
can only download one page at a time but you can navigate through the
whole thing online by clicking on the page numbers. The maintenance
schedule table is on pg 133 and 134.
As you see, the timing belt and timing balancer belt replacement is
called for at 90K miles or 72 months. So your info must have been for
Canadian or other non-US version. It would be fun to rub these two
schedules into the faces of some Honda officials and ask for explanation.
Well, then what about that web link from Honda Canada that I've shown
earlier? That also indicates 60K mile interval for timing belt change on
Yeah, I saw that one. I'm at a loss for an explanation. All the
Canadian/American paper manuals I have for Civic-based vehicles say 90K
miles for the timing belt. The Accord manuals, on the other hand, do all
I also have a factory 2004 TL manual. It says that timing belt replacement
is part of Maintenance Sub-Item 4, along with valve adjustment and spark
For the timing belt service, there is also this qualifier: "If the vehicle
is regularly driven in very high temperatures (over 110F), or in very low
temperatures (under -20F), replace every 60,000 miles and inspect water
This qualifier implies that, inside of the extreme temperatures given in
the qualifier, the belt would be changed at some mileage /higher/ than 60K.
90K would seem to be a reasonable next-increment.
I think you need to forget that link I posted. It was just something
that came up on a search. As was noted by someone else, it would
appear that the poster said it was "Official 94-97 Accord Maintenance
Schedule From the official Honda Shop Manual, Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
Service Publication Office" but the actual pages posted could have
come from some other source, since those pages have no such identifying
at only 24k miles? that's ridiculous.
and to all the "adherents" of the service manual and the service
intervals being advocated, look again for what honda actually specify on
coolant pump replacement interval/procedure then report back...
...and because there is no way to inspect the condition of the belt even
if it were in plain sight. You cannot evaluate the level of material
degradation simply by looking at it.
Why are you questioning the owner's manual?
Oh, wait--you mentioned $840...got it.
Fact: tires last no longer than 5 years before they become unsafe, and
your TB also degrades over time.
It has nothing to do with use.
BTW, ask your dealer what are the consequences of your NOT changing the
belt, and then it breaks while you're driving it. Hint: $840 will
suddenly seem like a very small amount of money.
that's not fact. just the opposite:
and aero specs are /way/ stiffer than automotive.
truth is, this "five [or seven] year tire life" smoke has been blown up
people's skirts by frod to protect their legal ass from corporate
manslaughter charges following their exploder rollover fiasco. which i
can understand from their perspective.
what i don't understand though is that the public swallow this stuff
unquestioningly, despite the availability of hard scientific fact to the
so we are told. personally, i'm not taking it without a largish pinch
regarding the materials used in belt manufacture, assuming their q.c. is
sufficient of course, the rubber is a highly saturated nitrile - it's
"degradation" is minimal simply as a factor of time, if anything at all.
the cordage is either glass fiber or twaron - neither of those degrade
appreciably with time either.
my guess is that the time interval is specified to be "safe" in the
event that there may be oil leakage, which /can/ degrade the rubber that
holds the fibers together, then time would indeed be a factor.
use is definitely a factor - hence the mileage limit.
personally, i've never seen a broken timing belt that didn't exhibit
signs of wear. now, do most people know what they're looking for with
"signs of wear"? no. is it easy to describe or see? no. but is it
anyway, just for fun, check these out:
on the first, obviously, i carefully selected sample pic area, and you'd
really have to know what you're looking at to see wear evidence. but on
the second larger pic, the wear evidence is much more obvious.
i think the bottom line is that the belt needs to be taken off to be
inspected properly, and given that the labor is so expensive, and the
belt so cheap, and the potential cost consequence of breakage so high,
you may as well simply replace the thing rather than bother trying to
eke out more miles on an "old" belt.
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