Made in China ... I'm pissed !

What a whiner!

Well, you can call it wining if you want, slick. I look at it as giving others a heads up on a bait and switch situation.

Oh, politics in the Honda newsgroup. Yes, China is bad. On the other hand, we blew up Bagdad ("Shock and Awe") and invaded a country so we could install a government favorable to the economic interests of the corporations that are sending our jobs to China.

There was no "bait and switch" dopey. Did someone tell you that the tires were made in the USA and you then found you had been lied to? If you want "made in the USA" don't put politicians in office who drive American business out of the country with oppressive regulation and taxes.

This is a brave new world redneck. Globalization means goods and service are being transferred all around the earth. You won't buy a pure made in USA product ever again.

You do also realize "US-brand cars" are mostly made in Mexico nowadays right? You are contributing money to the political corruption and drug cartels every time you "buy American" cars.

You're pissed because someone sold you tires from China for your Honda?

The irony of it all is quite amusing.

japan is a political and military ally that sells reliable quality and safe products from which we benefit. they also set up huge manufacturing operations here and keep americans employed.

china is an aggressive communist regime, bent on oppressing its neighbors, that thinks nothing of selling contaminated baby food, routinely steals american intellectual property, bribes american politicians to export jobs, deliberately lies about quality standards when seeking to export, and above all that, will deliberately flout united states law by sending thugs and political bullies to oppress tibetan freedom supporters ON AMERICAN SOIL. read that again: china's oppressive communist regime ACTIVELY AND AGGRESSIVELY OPPRESSES AMERICANS ON AMERICAN SOIL.

amusing little "irony"? you could not be more wrong.

it's not simply regulation and taxes - china has a been deliberately undercutting at below cost to lure both labor and intellectual property. it works like this: china shows up on wall street and makes sure the stock market pressures american corporations to offshore to improve margins. then it shows up in d.c. to make sure there is no political opposition. then it shows up in the boardrooms of companies with key technology they're seeking and offers significantly reduced manufacturing costs with one significant but frequently unanalyzed caveat - you have to move your intellectual property out there also. which china then steals and uses against us.

example: motorola - a few years back, this icon of the u.s. telecommunications hardware industry was persuaded to move manufacturing to china via pressure from wall st. but china wouldn't grant them an operations license for their new facilities until they also moved over r&d. some members of the motorola board balked at this and voiced concerns but china's faithful wall st lapdogs pressured motorola to hurry up and move, and china "assured" motorola they'd benefit from access to china's high quality engineering graduate talent. so, the move was made. and each night for the first few months, all motorola's intellectual property walked out the door.

now look at them. on their knees, they're barely surviving in a market flooded with cheap chinese knock-offs of every communications device that motorola ever made.

it's not oppressive regulation and taxes. and it's not like china's aggressive theft program is a recent thing - it's been going on for 20 years, the lessons are obvious and clear, but nobody seems to want to be man enough to call it for what it is total retardation that we allow to continue.

i think we need to start getting specific when buying stuff like this and tell the shop you won't buy anything made there. seriously - that kind of feedback filters through to management and eventually influences decision making.

personally, i'd have though that after the last few years of seeing the sides of our freeways strewn with shredded chinese tires that were recently legalized, it's time we stopped jeopardizing our safety and stopped buying that crap. and we should write our congress-critters accordingly. they legalized that stuff and that irresponsibility is potentially fatal. hold them responsible.

You're laughable. You are complaining because you aren't smart enough to know what you are buying for your Japanese car. Are you finished high school yet?

"Are you finished high school"???

doesn't look like /you/ graduated from one with grammar like that.

Technically, I would say that China has graduated to an oligarchy under the premise of a communist regime. I'm not sure communism can exist in today's world in anything other than an ideological state.

I do like the idea of slapping incumbents out of office after one term. We all know that power corrupts....

read this:

i have a number of american-chinese clients who do business there. they have confirmed - this article indeed true.

Hm, now I wonder where Michelin tires are made. Anybody knows? I'm about to get a new set.

depends on the tire.

right hand column.

That confirms my theory that China has become an oligarchy. True communism would not have the power in such a small fraction of the population. In this case 83 million members (as the article reports) to an estimated 1.4 billion citizens. I'm thinking that the actual number of decision making party members are much less than that. The fact that the ruling power has devised effective methods to control wealth and industry, combined with brain-washing at an early age will ensure that group will stay in power for a long time.

Yes, I are, thank you for axing. The salesman implied that they were made in America. I asked about another brand that they had called "Hancook" and was told that they were made in Korea. I then asked about the "Definity" and he says, "Oh, those are made by Cooper for Pep Boys", not adding that they are made in China. Cooper is a well known tire manufacturer in the U.S. and the first 6 "Definity" tires that I bought were made in the U.S., the ones on the Caddy just a month ago, so I thought that these would be as well. That's exactly what he wanted me to think. I can just hear how a sales meeting would go. "Just tell them that they are made by Cooper ... don't say a word about China unless specifically asked."

I agree, I should have pinned him down and asked what country they were made in. I posted so that others might learn from my mistake.

have you tried taking them back? afterall, you /did/ ask, even if you didn't insist. talk with the manager.

Got it, thanks. Many made in US and all in friendly countries. That's great!