No need to do that, simply use the figures reported by the Commerce
Department of the total sales in 2005. ;)
No mater how some like to spin it, no Japanese company outsold any domestic
I doubt if you have ever taken a course in college statistics. Even if you
are 100% right, it means nothing in relation to what is referred to as the
bottom line e.g. (profit vs loss). GM (according to the news media) may go
bankrupt in the near future. Honda and Toyata are not having any problems
related to the bottom line. Their profits are in the black. GM's profits
are in the red.
Also--what's the total number of models made by GM?
What's the total number of models made by Honda?
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Uh Mike. . .Toyota and Honda are clearly a distant fourth and fifth to
GM. You printed the numbers yourself. GM had 26.8% , while Toyota and
Honda had 13.7% and 8.9% respectively. I'd certainly call that a
distant fourth and fifth! Neither English nor Math must be your forte'
or you'd know that Toyota and Honda should be compared to the leader,
not the 3rd place manufacturer.
I think you had some problems with your math.
GM = 26.8 %
Ford = 17.9 %
Chrysler= 14 %
Toyota = 13.7 %
Honda = 8.9 %
You stated above " Toyota and Honda a distant fourth and fifth. " Honda
may be a distant fifth but Toyota is almost even with Chrysler, unless you
consider 3 tenths of one percent * distant*.
Gee Mike, you really are thick, aren't you? I thought you were merely
feigning naievety. Here in North America, everyone strives to be 1st in
everything we do. Whether it be hockey, baseball, soccer, basketball,
auto racing and yes, even auto sales. If we happen not to place first,
we then compare our position to the 1st place team. Not the 3rd! But
hey, maybe you use different parameters when you consistently place 4th
or 5th. Maybe then you find solace in comparing yourself to 3rd place!
To put it another way that you might understand Mike, "GM is first
and everyone else is a distant 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc....... ". *guffaw**chuckle**snort*
I can see why you are confused. You are confusing brands and corporations.
Toyota is ONE brand but Toyota Motor (Sales) Company includes Toyota, Scion
and Lexus in the US. Ford is ONE brand but Ford Motor Company includes
Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. GMC is one brand (of truck.) GM includes
Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, Saturn, GMC and Hummer. GM and FMC
also sell some of their import brands in the US but are not included in
sales totals. If their import brands were included GM and Fords total sales
would be even higher. In the US GM and Ford Motor Company sell more trucks
alone than Toyota Motor (Sales) Company sells cars, trucks and SUVs
You said, "Actually GM sells more cars than Toyota and Honda sell
Camrys and Accords. It just that they have different brand names on
the hood." That is an ambiguous statement but, for the record, Honda
and Toyota combined do sell more cars than GM.
2005 sales stats from:
Car: 1,713,578 vs. 1,847,040, down 7 percent
Truck: 2,702,464 vs. 2,770,260, down 2 percent
Vehicle: 4,416,042 vs. 4,617,300, down 4 percent
Car: 934,832 vs. 888,633, up 6 percent
Truck: 2,018,365 vs. 2,210,086, down 8 percent
Vehicle: 2,953,197 vs. 3,098,719, down 4 percent
Car: 526,823 vs. 474,119, up 11 percent
Truck: 1,778,010 vs. 1,731,905, up 3 percent
Vehicle: 2,304,833 vs. 2,206,024, up 5 percent
Car: 1,289,356 vs. 1,101,221, up 17 percent
Truck: 970,940 vs. 958,828, up 2 percent
Vehicle: 2,260,296 vs. 2,060,049, up 10 percent
Car: 837,822 vs. 843,289, down 0 percent
Truck: 624,650 vs. 551,109, up 14 percent
Vehicle: 1,462,472 vs. 1,394,398, up 5 percent
Car: 572,465 vs. 536,757, up 7 percent
Truck: 504,205 vs. 449,232, up 13 percent
Vehicle: 1,076,670 vs. 985,989, up 10 percent
Low quality low-priced cars.
I used to own a Cavalier.
Might be a good commuter car for the wife, but in the long run it proved to
be a piece of junk.
Same can be said of my '95 'Tour
my '86 Renault 5 was more reliable :)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your
The Vibe and the Matrix ARE the same car with different trim as well. As a
percentage of the original drive home price, the Vibe will most likely have
the best return, since the Matrix costs an average of $1,500 to $2,000 more
to drive home when equipped the same.
However the smarter ones are buying the Vibe because they know the Matrix
costs an average of $1,500 to $2,000 more to drive home when equipped the
same and the value of a used Matrix in five years will not be $1,500 to
Absolutely correct. Unless minor styling differences made the vibe
'ugly' for a buyer, one who was educated would buy the Pontiac over the
however, Mike, do you also see how this is the problem (or at least 1
part of the problem) GM has? 2 cars, built on the same line with the
same quality. GM charges (say) $2k less than Toyota.
now, Toyota's responsibility is to maximize shareholder value. So is
the problem is that GM's reputation from the past 20-30 years has eroded
it's name-brand. Therefore, they CAN NOT charge the same as toyota,
because of people's opinions of them (poor quality, whatever).
So, GM might make a couple-hundred off each vibe, but for the same per-
unit cost Toyota is making an extra $1.5k! Money Toyota can pump back
into engines, structures, and research.
It's a shame, but it's a fact of GM's life. Higher union costs, higher
legacy costs, and a lower opinion in the marketplace leads to slimmer
or, 10+ billion in losses.
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