I have a friend who wants to buy a 4WD or AWD Honda, and they are
considering the Pilot, CRV and Crosstour. Personally I don't like the
Crosstour for the way it looks and the Pilot is too big for me. So
lets say ugliness and being almost as big as a cement mixer weren't
factors. Can anyone say that there would be a difference between the
snow worthiness of any of them? I was told that none of them have
manual 4WD like a jeep has. I guess all of them are AWD?
Thanks so much!
As it is your friend who is considering a vehicle, your opinion of the
Crosstour, nor does the fact that you are not able to handle the size of
the Pilot has absolutely nothing to do with the purchase.
I know, but I am just talking about snow worthiness and which one is
better. She is driving a Subaru Forester, but her lease is almost up
and thinking of giving Honda a chance.
Thanks so much,
Well thank you all for the information. I heard Honda was the best in
reliability actually, and even better than Subaru. She's not just
going to the market and back. She works full time and needs to get
back home during storms as I do as well. We both live in New England
in the snow belt area, so we need to be able to handle driving in 6-8
inches or snow.
If you and your "friend" can't handle driving in a little bit of snow
like the amount you mentioned, in any vehicle then you both should have
your licences suspended thus making the roads in your area safer for
real drivers. When you feel the need to drive in real snow and ice
conditions, you're welcome to come to Atlantic Canada during our winter
months (January and February).
I'll see the Atlantic Canada winter and the Manitoba winter with Colorado
Rocky Mountain black-ice, and raise with an 'Old Fashion Texas Ice Storm'.
Remember... the only thing they use salt on, in those two states, is food.
Be careful now... I just might have a 'Donner Pass - Chains Required' in
my back pocket!
Nope... They've discovered "chemicals" here in TX and the only saving
grace, (in the Austin area), such weather is a rarity.
Probably the worst place to be is in places like Buffalo, NY where "lake
effects" snows occur almost continuously all winter.
I don't miss any snow whatsoever but love to look at it on TV...
Okay first off...
I am not a troll. I do have a cousin who has a 1999 Hyundai Santa Fe
2WD, and he bought it new and still has it. He is too thrifty to buy a
new car, but hates that its bad in the snow. His sister (who is also
my cousin) has an AWD Subaru Forester which is about the same year as
his Santa Fe. Her car is great in the snow. I'm just going by what
they are telling me. They live about 3 miles from me and are in the
same areas for snow.
Second if this is just marketing then can't Honda get in trouble for
putting "4WD" on the back door of the CRV's?
I guess Honda Pilot's are AWD also? They are automatic systems like
the CRV I am told.
As far as the roads go...good luck getting a better resolution. Our
whole state is practically bankrupt. Now with the tax going up I
really doubt better plowed roads is going to happen.
Tires and drivers skill are the reasons for the differences.
If they put "4WD" on the back of a 2-wheel drive vehicle, sure. But that's
not the case. Do you still not understand that AWD is a form of 4WD? If ALL
wheels are being driven on a vehicle with FOUR wheels, isn't that 4WD?
Last winter I posted about my somewhat frightening drives in my 2004 Accord
4-cyl auto. I live in upstate NY and yes, they do take good care of the
roads. The only two times I was out driving "on snow" was when the storm was
just starting and the road was, to me, very slippery such that my, um, rear
end was often sliding around especially when braking. So I drove very slowly
to ensure my safety, especially on turns and curves. The car has three
Goodyear Assurance Comfortreds and one Pirelli P6 Four Seasons. (I went
through a lot of successive flats with the OEM Michelins, one dealer had
only the Pirelli, blah blah....)
So, are the driving problems I had due to the slick road with the fresh thin
layer of snow, my tires, my driving... ? Last year was my first year back
to the Northeast since living in a snow-free climate for 30 years. When
living in the Northwest I drove a 1973 rear-wheel drive Toyota Celica with
regular tires through lots of snow with no issues whatsoever. What ideas
have you got?
First thing I'd do is at least have MATCHING tires. That one lone tire I'll
bet is a slightly different size than the others causing an imbalance. At
worst your tires should at least match form left to right (both fronts the
same and both rears the same). the have 3 and 1 is crazy.
Then on top of that you have you not being used to driving in snow. Somehow
in the past you did fine with a less snow-worthy vehicle so the issue has to
be you. Not meant as an insult, but just an observation based on the data
you've provided. In a front-wheel drive vehicle with more safety systems
how can it be more difficult to drive unless it is the driver who has lost
some of his edge.
Hopefully this winter now that you have "snow legs" back things will be
I would say in the case of the 2004 Accord, the mixture of tires was
one issue. The fresh fall of snow would contribute to the issue as well.
Do you consider yourself (at the time) to be out of practice in driving
in this type of road condition?
Yes, I'm sure I'm out of practice. I should look for a driving course to see
if I can get some help. I'm a lot older than I was 30+ years ago, and less
of a daredevil! Where I live there are short hills and country driving with
lots of curves, some dangerous even when dry. It was on those roads that I
about freaked... until I slowed to about 20 - 25 mph.
I am keeping in mind the tires. Yes, 3+1 is crazy, but it's what I've got
right now. I thought of getting two snow tires on their own wheels to start
with, but then Elmo's suggestion of the Nokian WR's is tempting and possibly
a better all-around solution. It's too bad there's still a lot of tread on
the tires I have, but maybe for a couple of years I could treat the Nokians
as Oct - April tires. There's supposedly a service center around here that
sells Nokians; I can ask there for advice.
Yes, and life is worthwhile. Well, there ARE those days.... *sigh*
I have read many times that four snows are better than two, but if two are
used (let's use "budget constraint" for now), which wheels should they go
on? I'd think the rear to, as you say, keep the rear end following the front
of the vehicle. I felt like I was getting into trouble when the rear tires
were slipping sideways, particularly when braking on a curve. (Re: the ABS
discussion from last winter.) Then again, I'm recalling when all four went
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