Prius & first responders

Visiting the Toyota website I found a reference to information for first responders at an accident involving a Prius. I had not thought previously about the hazard a wrecked hybrid presents. The webpage that got me thinking is at

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's one of the free techinfo pages, so anyone can access it. In thelower righthand corner there's a link to the Prius information forfirst responders.

What you'll find there is a 31-page PDF document called "Dismantling Manual". A first responder will have a lot of thumbing to do in ferreting out the necessary data, especially if s/he doesn't have a pristine Prius handy as a lab rat.

Several things bother me. First of all, the manual insists that the dismantler check the instrument display to ensure that both motors are off. This is done by making sure the READY alert isn't selected. But if the Prius has been in a collision, there's no certainty the instrument display is working. Trying to work with the power on could put a rescuer at risk.

Second, the manual warns to not perform any dismantling until withdrawing the key from the ignition. There's no mention that a bunch of Priuses are equipped with the SmartKey system and might have no key evident. So far as I can figure, the only way to turn off the power then would be to get inside and hit the POWER button with a foot on the brake. What are the odds of being to do that in a wrecked Prius with the injured driver inside?

Third, the only way to open a locked rear hatch -- possibly the only functioning entry point after a collision or rollover -- is to use the remote fob or the door-lock switch on the front doors. Both activators require 12-volt power to the rear latch's solenoid, and there's no guarantee power will be available. after a collision. If external 12V power is to be used, it can only be applied through one terminal inside the under-hood fusebox, which may have been damaged or rendered inaccessible.

Fourth, the manual asserts that power remains in the high-voltage electrical system for five minutes after the HV battery pack is shut off. Even if a first responder is aware of that hazard, will s/he stand by while injured parties suffer or die?

Fifth, the manual warns against cutting any orange wire, as these are associated with the high-voltage circuitry exclusively. In the manual are diagrams of where these wires run, but not in sufficient detail to ensure that the Jaws of Life (or whatever other means might be used to remove sheet metal for access to the injured) won't sever a high-voltage wire.

Sixth, the manual asserts that the high-voltage battery's electrolyte, though dangerous, is a gel that is unlikely to leak, even in a collision. Nevertheless, it describes crucial steps that must be taken quickly if the caustic alkaline does escape and does contact a person. The neutralizing requires dilute boric acid or vinegar. It would be reassuring to know that those neutralizers would be available to first responders. If not, the manual states, "In an emergency, Toyota Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) may be requested." I do not find that a plausible course of action in an emergency.

These circumstances alarm me. A very good friend of mine is a first responder. He's a generation younger than I. I'm giving him a copy of the Dismantling Manual with the earnest request that if he's first on the scene of my wrecked Prius, he's to consider his own safety first.

Brent

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Brent Secombe
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The problem with killing the system after an accident that may have disorganised things possibly could be reduced by fitting a cutout somewhere near the main battery. Normally this would be protected, even hidden, but rescuers need not be too gentle.

My first solution would be a "ripcord" handle inside the filler cap cubbyhole. If you must, you wrench open the filler cap; or you simply pull the lever by the driver's seat (UK model -- do LH-drive models also put it by driver?). Then you grab the small handle and pull: a steel cord running down to an isolation switch does the safety work, with no need to approach sparks or spills.

UK buses routinely have a fireman's switch with an external sign advertising its location. I can't believe other countries do not provide a similar device for their rescue services.

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Andrew Stephenson

My BMW knows when it has been in a wreck, and it unlocks the doors, shuts the radio off, turns the emergency flashers on, and switches the interior lighting on, surely Toyota engineers can add a battery bypass relay to that circuit to ensure the safety of owners, passengers, and rescue workers.

This is an old story, and likely an urban legend. If it bothers you, then don't buy one.

Reply to
Jeff Strickland

That's 'cause you're not a first responder.

Don't worry, the first responders I know have been trained on responding to hybrid wrecks. In many cases, the training has involved traveling road shows at Honda and Toyota dealers.

Reply to
Bonehenge

Jeff, what part of this situation are you referring to as being an urband legend?

Thanks.

Brent

Reply to
Brent Secombe

That's good to know. Eventually the training might be ubiquitous, but model changes will make it a constant struggle to stay current. My friend, the small-town first responder, hasn't had such training yet.

Brent

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Brent Secombe

I hope Toyota is reading this, Andrew.

Yes.

That would work.

I can't recall having seen one on a US bus, but it might be there somewhere.

Say, Andrew... if you're anywhere near Coventry, please consider dropping me a line. In my listed email address, just replace the "over" with an "e". Thanks.

Brent

Reply to
Brent Secombe

Perhaps he should start with Google?

Contact with local Honda and Toyota dealers will provide direction to more information.

Reply to
Bonehenge

Yes. I think he and I can set up something with a nearby dealer, possibly an area-wide training session. The dealership was recently sold to a new owner who might be interested in the publicity. Thanks for the heads-up.

Brent

Reply to
Brent Secombe

The part after, "Visiting the Toyota Website."

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Pardon me for stealing a qoute from the movies.

Reply to
Jeff Strickland

Quite all right. We'll look elsewhere for damns. :-)

I remain concerned, because the problem is real. But with the input from some contributors here I think I'm on the way to relieving the situation, at least locally.

This is a good group. Thanks to all.

Brent

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Brent Secombe

It would be pleasant to suppose they are. But, really, what are the odds? If they ever peeked into this NG what would they find to keep them coming back? :-(

Ta. Going by when I was last in that neck of the woods, I'd not expect me before 2050. :-) But I've noted the email address.

Reply to
Andrew Stephenson

Your crusade has a certain sky-is-falling quality to it. I think the First Responders know all about this and are prepared to deal with it.

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Jeff Strickland

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