Who can justify a 30 round magazine for personal protection with a handgun.

People who are a lousy shot?

I've been wondering this, too. How can it be justified?

For a handgun owned by a civilian, how many rounds would you say is NOT TOO MANY, Cathy? Please explain how you arrived at your answer.

I thought of that at first, but by the time you squeeze off 10, anything you were shooting at that wasn't stationary would be long gone.

The smallest magazine the gun is designed for is not too many. You can carry 50 magazines. You can carry 100. The point is the delay between them can save lives.

You're beating around the bush here, and talking about Jared Louchner (I think I spelled his name right).

He was a known idiot that the Sheriff who is now claiming -- without any basis in fact -- was put over the edge by rightwing talk radio, Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh. The fact is, the Sheriff has come across this guy numerous times all over town. The Sheriff had the power to stop this guy from buying a gun. This kid, who is 22, has a history with run-ins with the law stretching back almost ten years. This kid is a known mental case that the Sheriff should have helped to have committed, instead of pointing his crooked little fingers at everybody except the shooter.

The Sheriff is spewing shit, just like JoeShitForBrains does.

That's arbitrary. How many rounds?

Show your source for the information in the paragraph above, beginning with the words "He was a known idiot..."

By "show your source", that means a link to reading material.

I've been listening to the radio all day driving to Los Angeles and back, and there have been interviews (both on radio and on TV) with former classmates and college professors ALL saying the kid was an idiot. Then his own Facebook page is ripe with his idiocy IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Seriously, you're not gonna challenge, "shame on Oakland," again, are you?

I'd give you a link, but my source isn't the 'net so I can't. You can scour the 'net if you please, but the kid is a certifiable lunatic by all accounts.

Next contestant, please.

Show YOUR source that this lunatic listened anything Limbaugh EVER said, or Palin, or Bachmann, or any of the other "vitriol" that these people are alleged to have spewed.

This guy is a pot-head that listens to heavy metal music. Hardly the profile of Limbaugh's audience.

All you have are the ravings of a lunatic Sheriff that should be bunkmates with the shooter at the state mental hospital. I've heard all of that, but there's no proof in anything he asserts. He's a lot like you, saying shit as fact then never ever backing it up.

Actually, I haven't heard anything that sheriff said. But since all radio (except NPR) and TV (except PBS and BBC) news consists of easily digested nibbles, but little depth, we always know something's missing.

Your "pot-head" comment reflects a serious lack of information about marijuana. Either that or the police chief of Syracuse NY was seriously mixed up when he once said the Grateful Dead was the only band he was happy to have at the city's war memorial because there was NEVER any trouble during their concerts.

The shooter's problems were unrelated to drugs. He had much deeper problems. Problems like his are more likely to be worsened by alcohol.

You have no proof. Great.

Yes, it is arbitrary. My gun holds 6 in the magazine. Smith & Wesson makes pistols of the same caliber whose magazines hold 14 in the magazine.

Which one is too many, considering the fact that with either gun, it takes a split second to slap in a new magazine?

That describes all semi-auto guns, which fire one bullet at a time.

Someone who isn't as fast as this?

So then ifyou buy whateve you have, the answer is 6. If you buy the same as a s&w, it's 14. How hard is that?

It takes a split second to switch with a glock too. So there ya go. You just answered for me. You have NO excuse to not use the smallest clip available and, for those of you who go out killing people, you can either figure out how to be able to swap in seconds or you get tackled by a 60 year old woman.

It's a fairly stupid question because I've never seen a single person ever use a 30+ round mag in a defense pistol. In Tejas, all concealed weapons have to stay concealed. You are not supposed to even "print" through your clothing. So you would have trouble keeping the thing hidden. And if it's attached to your britches, with 33 rounds you would have trouble keeping your pants up. :/ It's hard enough to keep a full size semi auto hidden with factory mags.

Your scenario doesn't happen in the real world. But like Conscience says, it's no ones business how many you carry. As long as someone doesn't go out and starting shooting people en mass, they could carry five 50 round mags for all I care.

It's not the tool. It's the person that really matters. I'm sure a lot of the resident crotch fondlers will have trouble with that, but I would consider that a personal problem. What do I do? When I'm carrying my pistol for defense, which is most common when I'm up at my land in OK, I carry two 14 round mags. One in the pistol, and a second one in the holster. In my case, the threat is much more likely to be four legged, rather than two. And being I'm on private property, I don't carry concealed. I wear it on my hip in a holster. Here is a picture of the camp rig..

I don't carry concealed in town because I'm too cheap to pay for the concealed permit. I can buy another pistol for what it would cost me to get a permit. And you have to renew every once in a while, which is more $$$. The guy I work with has one. I may get one some day, as it would allow me to carry across the state lines I cross. You can't car carry in OK at all unless you have a permit. You can carry in the car in TX if you are traveling. But being as I would have to stop and stow it away when I cross into OK, I keep it in the trunk the whole trip. With a permit, I could keep it in the car the whole trip.

Obviously AZ whack buoy was not carrying for defense, so I fail to see the comparison. He's a fluke. Not the norm.

You people just don't get it. A killer is going to kill no matter what restrictions you try to impose on them. Limited mag size sure didn't seem to make any difference in the case of the Luby's massacre. He just kept reloading, which anyone even half competent can do till the cows come home.

AZ whack buoy was actually an incompetent putz in the overall scheme of things. If this were not the case, he would have been able to reload. And he would have killed more than six people with the 33 rounds he did have. In the overall scheme of things, he was a wannabe commando warrior putz.

Some may find this hard to believe, but they were sorta lucky someone who actually knew what they were doing wasn't the shooter. The death toll would have been much higher.

The people that use 30 round mags use them for plinking, practice, etc so they don't have to reload as often. They don't use them in defense weapons.

BTW, for defense purposes, one round at a time is most certainly not enough. Some of the cranked up meth buoys will just laugh at you if you shoot them once. Then they rip your head off if they get close enough. And many times, you are dealing with multiple crooks. IE: many robberies involve multiple people. With one round, you will be in a world of shiite. But I feel fairly comfy with 15 rounds which is only one mag and one in the chamber. I can actually also use 15 round mags in my pistol, but the ones I have are 14.

Lives could have been saved had the ban on extended clips/magazines/thingys that hold bullets remained intact. Deny away, neocon dupe. It's all you can do.

The question is arbitrary.