Engine Noise - '88 22re 4Runner

It certianly sounds like a connecting rod bearing knock. I just finished replacing the bottom end in my son's '87 22R pickup with

225,000 mi. on the clock. It had spun a #1 rod bearing. I also had to buy a reconditioned con rod for $35. O Reilly Automotive had a crankshaft kit consisting of remanufactured crankshaft, rod bearings and main bearings for approx. $180.00. Figure another $25 or so for associated gaskets, sealers, etc. In addition, I had to The engine must be yanked to do this properly.

Speaking of pulling the engine, it was my experience that i would have been better off pulling the engine and the transmission as a unit. Yanking just the engine was tough and reinstalling it was impossible due to the three dowel pins that locate the engine and trans. After fighting it for nearly half a day, I pulled the transmission, mated them together outside the truck and reinstalled the whole thing easily. Merely my experience gained from doing it mostly by myself in the driveway in 100 degree heat.

Hope this helps.

Charlie

Ok.I called the Toyota dealer today to get a ballpark figure what THEY would charge to replace a rod bearing.(Figuring that they would probably quote me 50% more than your standard shop) The fellow I spoke to said that there is a good chance the crank is destroyed as well and that it could cost thousands! (Canadian $)He suggested I would be better off to find a new engine.Seeing as I just recently bought this POS and can't see dumping another couple of grand into it right off the bat,is it worth my while to shop around and find another opinion,or am I just screwed?

A fool and their money...

The 20R & 22R series engines share the exact same crankshaft rod,here in Canada and the USA the following vehicles use the 20R & 22R series engines:

The 20R is used in:

Celica 1975-80 Corona 1975-80 Pickup 1975-80

The 22R is used in:

Celica 1981-84 Corona 1981-3/82 Pickup 1981-87 (up to 1990 on California models and 1990 on federal

2WD US & CDN models) 4-Runner 1984-87

The 22RTE is used in:

Pickup Turbo 1985-87

4-Runner turbo 1985-87

The 22R-E (22REC=EFI California) is used in:

Pickup 1985-95

4-Runner 1985-95

The 22R-E is also used in:

Celica 1983-85

Note:other parts of the globe you will see the 22R series carb & EFI motor in Landcruisers among other vehicles. So my advice to you is avoid having a Toyota dealership replace the crankshaft rod and it's bearings because it is alot of work and they are stood up they think they are the best and hence charge alot,try to find people near you who off-road Toyota 4-Runners/pickups and landcruisers and more than likely they do their own repairs as a "hobby" and are as knowledgeable or more than the Toyota dealerships and those off-roaders may trade services with you if you cannot afford to pay with cash.Many Toyota owners who do their own repair out of their home don't have any overhead expenses like garages so they can afford to fix your problem for "couple of cases of beer",keep asking people that you know such as your friends,relatives,neighbours,co-workers and the like and you may find someone that enjoys working on such a problem and will do you a favour but avoid the formal garages as all they care about is money and not quality of work I have been through that with my 1985 Toyota

4-Runner,22R-E,W56,stock rear/step towing chrome bumper as I have spent at least $2000 in several shops trying to fix the loss of oil when all along they new it was burning it and they were crooks. Also try placing a wanted/request ad at all of your local public bulletin boards found in public libraries,banks,shopping malls,laundraumats,grocery stores and the like.Also your local free buy & sell classified papers and websites. In my attached files that I sent you I included a list of free buy & sell classified papers & websites (that put last week's issue to be viewed for free online) for all of Canada where you can source a mechanic in your area or a 20R or 22R crankshaft rod with it's bearings or even a complete used engine that you can buy for about $200-400 and then strip your engine for parts and sell each part for $50-100 and you end up making money and not loosing/spending any. You can also place a wanted/request ad at:

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1985 Toyota 4-Runner,22R-E,W56,stock rear/step chrome bumper with 237 000 KM Electronics engineering technician Dartmouth,Nova Scotia

I believe I may have the same problem. However, I'm prepared to have my '87 sound whatever the cost. To me, I'd rather have my '87 over a new one with the tailgate and removeable top. Don't get me wrong, if someone offered me a new one for my '87 I'd take it. But only to resell for more money so I could buy another old one. That's why my '93, in perfect shape mechanically and body, sets parked as a spare vehicle. I may use the newer one as a winter beater this year to get me to and from the slopes. I can always find a newer one but, in Michigan the 1st generation

4runners with decent bodies are rare.

Sidney,

Thank you for the wealth of information in regards to my 22r-e engine problems.This has helped reassure me that I will most likely be able to deal with this without spending a fortune.Unfortunately there really isn't much of a Toyota "enthusiast" scene around here so getting my engine ripped apart for a case of beer is fairly unlikely.It's hard enough to even find a shop mechanic besides the Toyota guys to talk to that has ever doen more than change the spark plugs in a 22r-e before.I am not 100% dummy when it comes to mechanical work and may even attempt a motor swap myself...although the only engines I have ever swapped have been 1600cc volkswagons.The funny thing is that apart from the light knocking noise at specific rpms,I would never know there was anything wrong.Well here's hoping that this engine carries me through the next month or so untill I have time to deal with it.....

Can you pull the oil pan off? If so, you'll see all you need to know. If not, change your oil and see if there are bits and pieces of metal in the old oil. Lastly, when idleing, disconnect the spark plug wire on suspect cylinder. If it's a bad bearing I would think the noise would be less since it's being just pulled along and not adding any torque on the crank.

Good Luck

PM

Thanks for your suggestions Patrick. Yes there appears to be a small amount of metal particles in the engine oil and disconnecting the spark for cylinder 3 definately lessens the sound significantly.It seems to be getting more noticable now too.(or maybe I'm just paying more attention to it?)I really hear it cruising at about 70 km/h in 3'rd gear. I guess I'll wrestle the oil pan off when I get a chance to make absolute certain before I begin the find a new engine struggle. (I'm located in the west coast of B.C. ,Canada if anyone happens to have a spare 22r-e lying around that they don't need...?) Thanks for everyones help!

Hi there, Just read your post. I have very similar "problem". However, I'm not sure whether it is a real problem. Bellow are some of my posts that address this issue, and some other people's posts. On Customtacos.com forum, NAD was very opinionated about this being normal with 4-banger Tacos. You can send him a message, he will get back to you. If you need to get in touch with me, please use: snipped-for-privacy@gte.net If you have any additional info, I'll appreciate your feedback. Regards, dany