perhaps they brought along their own rigged immobilizer module?
I've found references to an anti-theft "immobilizer" system,but no mention
of RFID-chipped keys.IIRC,the "immobilizer" is a separate module.
on my 94 GS-R,they push-started the car even though it had an alarm with
starter lockout.Drove it off at 3:40AM with the alarm blaring,too.
"gone in 60 seconds".
You need to have a hidden fuel cutoff switch,and maybe even take the ECU
indoors with you at night.
F-ing G-D thieves,we should be allowed to shoot them on sight.
You should move to Texas. That's exactly what someone did last week.
Still no word on whether the DA's going to press charges, but public
opinion here has so far been mostly in favor of the shooter.
You don't even have to live in Texas to do that. If I caught someone trying
to steal my car, I'd tie them to a fence and chop off their balls and make
them eat them, then I'd shoot them! If it was a woman I'd tie them to a
fence, and then have my way with her and then I'd shoot her. I'm a nice
person, I'm just very protective of my car.
far too many people are willing to surrender their property(and mine,yours)
to thieves. As if the thief's life was somehow important.
They can't see the terrible cost this thievery has to our society.
It also leads to worse crimes.
And to think tolerance of thievery only started about 40 years ago.
At one time, not so very long ago, it was considered a citizen's duty to
defend his person, family and property by whatever means he deemed
necessary. And the world was a better place for it.
It's my understanding that dealerships have "skeleton keys" that will open
any Honda. It may be that there are stolen copies floating around of such
It's also possible computer hackers have found a way to defeat the
security. It can't be much harder than hacking any other computer-based
it depends on whether the Hondas use an ECU-based
"immobilizer" where an implanted code in the ECU has to match what the RFID
chip in the key generates. Then they would have to change the ECU out to
get the car to start with their RFID key.
ISTR that the later Integras had a separate "immobilizer" module(just a
starter disable) that could be unplugged and replaced with a jumper module
or hacked module.
IOW,it's just like aftermarket alarms,easily defeated.
I just did some quick studying of the immobilizer system in my manuals.
The '00-'05 Integra/RSX's immobilizer consist of three components: The
transponder in the key, the control unit/receiver, and the engine's
The receiver is right next to the ignition lock cylinder. When the
receiver senses the correct signal from the key's transponder, it sends
a coded sequence back to the engine's ECM. If the transmitted code is
correct, the ECM causes the fuel system to be operated in a normal
manner. If the signal is wrong, the fuel system will be disabled.
And how will the ECM disable the fuel system? By refusing to ground the
Main Relay (probably by leaving terminal 8 open).
Are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking?
Does it SAY that?
I thought it might inhibit injector operation,shutting them off totally.
(at least in the RSX,a newer system.)
That's what happens in my Sentra SE-R SpecV.
That also is "disabling the fuel system".
Just not grounding the main relay leaves it vulnerable to jumpering,very
An "immobilizer" HAS to disable the ECU to be effective.
If that's the case,best to install a hidden fuel pump disable switch.
I wish I had done that for my 94 GS-R,I had the parts all ready for
installation,just didn't get to it in time. It cost me big time.
No it does not. It *does* say that the ECM will refuse to ground the Main
Relay. I'm guessing on the Terminal 8 thing. Terminal 8 is the activation
line for pre-'02 Main Relays.
Around '02, Honda split the Main Relay into two separate relays, one for
fuel, for ignition. I haven't scrutinized the diagrams to see exactly what
goes where. Yet.
I wonder how honest my (factory) manual is. It claims fuel disable, and
That's too bad. The late John Ings had just that advice up on the FAQ
before I took it over.
There're only two lines to the fuel pump, and one's a ground. Splice into
the live wire and it would be a rare crook indeed who could figure that one
out. No power, no fuel.
You're right of course. That's why I wondered earlier how honest the shop
manual was. It would be trivially easy for Honda to tell the ECM to disable
spark and injectors as well as the fuel pump.
But none of this explains how the OP's car was stolen in the first place,
which is what this whole thread was about.
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