Built like a Mercedes (?)

for Canada, and probably most places in the world, 20k km is considered average. I note that that's just a tad over the 12k miles you suggest for GB

cheers, guenter

I meant dinner actually.

It's 15K here, but most people live in cities. I'm 40 miles from the closest one.

If I look out my windoew I see 300 acres of forest, a river and two waterfalls. This place has a barn big enough for 6 cars and when we moved here there was a garage pretty much across the road. Clsoed now. Pity.

A long distance for me is anything over 300 miles in a day. What is it for you?

Huw

Ah! Back to the perrenial "mine is bigger than yours" arguement. Very original.

Many Canadians

Done that myself. Actually 1800 miles in seven days with a 24ft caravan behind. No problem.

I don't know what in Hell you think is so unique about your conditions. I have over a 200 mile round trip to music concerts and I do them after six pm and get back before 2am. Nothing unusual. I travel in excess of 20,000 miles per annum in my business vehicle alone and my wife and I also put in another 18000 miles in our private Range Rover. Nothing unusual. I have a friend who does in excess of 50,000 business miles per year, all in the UK. That would be considered high mileage.

Huw

My barn is bigger than yours LOL. It can hold 15 articulated wagons with

You see two can play that game and you need to be sure that yours is actually bigger to be sure of winning.

Huw

I'm sure your barn is bigger but I'm not intrerested in "winning" anything, I'm just pointing out why I don't live in a city despite the distance invoved.

I think the point the OP made is that the UK would fit in the state of Rhode Island or some such thing. Distances involved in the UK and Europe are different than north america. What would be a normal drive to say, go buy a table or chair here would in Europe be the same as driving across 3 borders when it's the same distance.

And while you may rack up high miles you are the exception not the rule. I remember the day (ok I'm dating myself) when Cardiff to Londo was a day trip. Now I go that far to buy crickets for my kids lizard and think nothing of it.

Dialing 1 then area code before the number.

Then why mention the size or assume about driving distances. You cannot generalise. I have friends who have holiday homes in the South of France and they regularly drive both ways. I do not know how far that is and would not presume to compare it with your mileage.

Huw

I am far from exceptional. I am not the old boy who just drives to the other side of the village to fetch a paper but I would certainly not presume to be anything like exceptional. For a start, most of my mileage is actually within Wales. If you actually travel 200 miles for the purpose you describe then you really need to reassess life's priorities ;-)

Huw

Travel time from Pope and Danforth to Waterloo has likely doubled in the last 10 years.

Actually, it has gone up over the last 10 years 20,000Km per year is now considered to be low mileage. A 5 year old car with "only" 100,000 Km is a low mileage used car. Average 5 year old car on the lot here has 150-180 thousand KMs on it.

Huw - you are missing the point. If you want to go for "records" try

We can do that here too, if we choose to.

For business purposes? Just to and from work MANY drive 56000 miles a year. That's not "business miles". I know of lots of cars putting on well in excess of 80,000 per year for business purposes, calling on clients, or doing light delivery (courier service). Never leaving the province of Ontario - or even Southern Ontario (south of, say Barrie)

Because I've lived in the UK and I've lived in Canada and I've lived in the US and know the difference. You?

A drive from London to Madrid is the same distance as Toronto to Atlanta. Half as much again and you're in Florida. While I've known people that have driven that for the wekend, that's no more the norm than a holiday home in spain for most people.

Again, one can drive that distance and still be in Ontario. The scale of how far you *routinly* travel is much much larger in North America than Yurrup or the UK.

How?!?

What do you do, wake up, go to Ponty, with a circuitous route through the Rhondda, back home, repeat? Did Wales anex Russia or something when I wasn't looking?

I don't rememeber it being that big when I left. (looks at map) no, it's still not much bigger than Toronto. :-)

Bloody 'ell. Mercifully Belleville to Toronto hasn't but you DO have to pick your times. 3 am is good.

Driving from Waterloo Ontario to Prince Edward Island ( 1770 km) in one day is a long trip. Or driving to Montreal and back (1286 Km). Or driving to Winnipeg (2155 km) in 2 days. Heck, Waterloo to Windsor and back in the same day (587km) is starting to get a bit tedious, but is not a "long" trip. Waterloo to Banff in 2 days - that's a long trip. Waterloo to Lakeland Florida? That's a long trip. But none are terribly out of the ordinary for me in years past. Vic Falls Zambia to Luapula Province Zambia? now THAT IS a long trip, even spread over 3 days. Particularly in the rainy season. Worse conditions than what I generally encounter here in Canada. However,Even 170 Km from Wiarton to Waterloo is a long trip when there's a good foot of snow on the road surface, and you can't see 500 feet in front of you like the trip this weekend!!!Shovelling the car (NOT a 4wd) out of snow banks just makes the trip longer.

I have seen your average mileage quoted and there is not much difference. Average doesn't mean much in either place except as a measure of the hours spent behind the wheel in various locations and despite your protestations there is not a whole lot of difference. It is interesting to note the psyche that *needs* to believe that 'mine is bigger/better/longer/further than yours'.

Huw