Built like a Mercedes (?)

Actually, I'd EXPECT small-town heartlanders of the midwest and southwest to have the among the lowest mileage figures (and the most relaxed lifestyles). The high mileage would be suburbanites that commute to cities.

Again, I dont' have a dog in the fight, its just that the numbers quoted feel awfully wrong, given that every city I travel to has traffic reports in the morning and evening that show a LOT of cars travelling a lot of miles to and from the 'burbs.

All the figures are available broken down per region and every which way you like. Just follow the links I provided. Either get yourself a dog or leave the ring before you get bitten deep on your ass ;-)

Huw

Well that's right. We aren't the ones wasting hours a day on a commute.

US official figures show that you are not representative of the average but are indeed included in it.

Huw

Well, you're certainly right that there's a lot of ass-biting going on, but it aint the dogs that are doing the biting.

Well I might be if I was in the US. What part of England did you lived in Boyo ? :-)

Well I am waiting for evidence that shows that official US figures are wrong and that you and Clare know best. I suspect it will be a long wait, like until the first snowy day in July.

Huw

"Richard Sexton" wrote >

A part of the UK that can communicate using correct English. ;-)

Huw

DAS

Reminds me of an anecdote (not OT since so many posts here are anecdotes...) about my first paid job, a holiday job just after school.

It was in the suburbs of Cardiff (in Wales for those not in the know) and my digs were somewhere there, too. The first letter my (non-British) parents sent me from the Continent was addressed to me at Cardiff, England... and I got a long lecture from my landlady and her husband...

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

If you'd go back and READ, I never claimed that I know best (and I sure as hell don't speak for Clare). I just said it doesn't "feel" like the right number. I'm perfectly well aware that intuition isn't a mathematical basis for anything, so stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't one. Whether the real national average per driver is 12 miles a year or 120,000 miles a year doesn't change my life one iota either way.

It is very gracious of you to admit your feeling was wrong.

Huw

Oh, SOUTH Wales.

Uh yeah. About that. I'm surprised you got off that easy :-)

Given that most of us posting in this crossposted nightmare from the AADT NG actually drive the Dodge trucks in the name of the NG, it would also be safe to assume that we don't live in urban centers where a truck would be less needed.

As for me, I live in a small town, and work on heavy mechanical pieces, mostly dirty ones at that. On top of that, I tow a car trailer. Travel to any major city is an hour at least, over two in most cases. I drive five hours to my other home, and at times carry furniture.

A small car simply wouldn't do what I need it to do.

Given your esteemed leaders new commitment to drastically reduce dependency on Arab oil over the medium term and the ever higher price of said oil in the short, medium and longer term, then perhaps your should be prepared for drastic downsizing whether you like it or not. Otherwise learn to enjoy bending over and being shafted by the Middle East on a regular if not continuous basis.

Huw

I'm sure the best available facts aren't five years old, nor are they as vague as some on here seem to use.

As to digging them up, I've posted links to info proving my point. That Huw likes his vague assumptions is not my problem. It does however, lead to an opportunity to be amused at his cost.

He just SAID that he hauls tractors and cars on trailers. Downsizing for people that actually *use* big pickups for what they're designed for simply isn't an option. Fortunately, the market is full of cheap used ones from all the urbanites that used them as status symbols in recent years :-)

What really strikes me as boneheaded is that Toyota just announced a humongous replacement for their Tundra truck. Just at the moment the market is shrinking back to the people who've always needed trucks, and are highly unlikely to buy a Toyota given that "features" like this would cost them income, not just loss of stylish transportation:

Oh no. Those numbers are on the *WEB*. They're a valid citation, and your criticisms of them are not acknowledgeable. How dare you, you unwashed American who probably drives a PICKUP truck! And probably a DODGE too! After all, NOTHING anyone finds with a search engine could EVER POSSIBLY be based on flawed statistics or be outdated...