Heres one for the Chrysler mechanics

The short of it:

Pull the codes first.

Then go to:

A lot of info there on these vehicles and those transmission problems.

The firmware for the TCM, Transmission Control Module, should be checked to make sure it has the latest software version: 04686606. Might want to see if your A604 was upgraded. The upgrades started in 1995 so it's possible that it was never upgraded, even if it were rebuilt previously.

Put in Chrysler ATF+3 fluid and a Chrysler filter? The tranny is very fussy and will work strangely with the wrong fluid.

If you can rebuild a tranny and still have problems, that's discouraging. But it's a fussy tranny. The TCM revision helps out with the electronically controlled clutch and its rate of shifting, preventing the torque converter from eating itself up with too much stress in slow shifting.

is a great place to read up on this. I had lots of help in figuring out how to go about my A604 and it was the TCM and the firmware. After the upgrade, the tranny shifts like a BMW, knock on wood!!!

Have you tried calling the service manager at a Chrysler dealership or an independent to find out what "51" means? If you call a place outside a big city, sometimes you get lucky and the guy will help you out and might even tell you what the code means.

If all this fails, the complete Superbook on the A604/41TE tranny is around $17, not including shipping and tax, from Chrysler, and I think it runs from 1989 to 1997, so it is also from a dealer still.

How much was the rebuild kit? I heard they were around $100?

But one mechanic I know buys his trannies from Chrysler. He says there are too many parts and too easy to miss something in rebuilding it, so he just purchases a rebuilt directly from Chrysler. They were $1200, now they are up to $1800? Keep getting more and more expensive. Much more than a rebuilding kit for $100.

Other mechanics I know purchase from rebuilders who will warrantee the rebuild but it seems safest getting it directly from Chrysler - or does Chrysler really use rebuilders? Anybody know?

Did you retrain the tranny computer? There is on the web how you start and stop about 20 times to retrain the tranny's computer after working on the tranny. Sorry if this sounds like baby talk since you probably know all this stuff.

for retraining, etc. You are referring to the transmission computer code, of course? I can't find on the internet what a "51" would be from the transmission reading. The engine code for a 51 [even using the switch on/off routine] would be, but this can't be what you are referring to:

• 51 Oxygen sensor stuck at lean position (Bob Lincoln wrote: may be tripped by a bad MAP sensor system causing a rich condition, and the O2 sensor trying to compensate. The O2 sensor may still be good. The MAP assembly consists of two pieces, the valve and the vacuum transducer (round plastic unit with cylinder on top and both electrical and vacuum connections) - If you get hot rough idle and stalling, especially on deceleration, accompanied by flooded engine and difficulty restarting, that can be a bad MAP sensor causing the O2 sensor to try to compensate. If you get poor cold driveability, stumbling and bucking, and acceptable warm driving with poor gas mileage (a drop of 10 mpg or more), that is usually the O2 sensor. [Webmaster note: MAP sensors seem to die regularly.]

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I hope that you realize that there are two "interface connectors". The one behind the battery is for the engine. The one hidden under the dash (89GC) is for the transmission. My Chrysler student reference book on the 41TE transaxle electronics says for codes 50 - 54, " When in gear, if input/output speeds do not compare to a known gear ratio, the corresponding gear ratio diagnostic trouble code is set (50 - 54).

eldred

Assuming the poster used the tranny interface, which is likely since he had two factory service manuals, the biggie and the Superbook on the A604/41TE, he is getting a "51" because his tranny is put into first gear which is the get-home-one gear Chrysler did for limping home gear? The tranny thinks something is wrong and what means exactly "input/output speeds" then if I may ask? I'm not a student of cars nor a mechanic, just someone who tries to learn all he can about the A604/41TE. Would the factory manual or the Superbook on this tranny have something like that spelled out completely? Now this is the time to have the factory manual on CD and do a word search :)

You probably ought to replace the input and output sensors.

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My interpretation of the above reference book statement:

The input shaft and the output shaft each have a speed sensor. If the ratio between the input and output speeds does not correspond to one of the "lockup" gear ratios, the transmission computer assumes that one of the clutches is slipping and sets a corresponding fault code.

eldred

"eldred301" wrote: > My interpretation of the above reference book statement: > > The input shaft and the output shaft each have a speed sensor. > If the > ratio between the input and output speeds does not correspond > to one of > the "lockup" gear ratios, the transmission computer assumes > that one of > the clutches is slipping and sets a corresponding fault code. > > eldred

Alright i have changed the input and output sensors P-R-N-D-L- switch and the solenoid pack. Tranny works good until the torque converter locks up then when it locks up it "chatters"(feels like it does a double take when it locks up) Any suggestions?

Are you using ATF+III or ATF+IV? TC "chatter" or "shudder" is EXACTLY why Dexron III is not to be used in Chrysler 4-speed automatics.

If its chattering WITH +III or +IV, then it may be a bad TC clutch, or its possible that your make/model has a trans controller flash upgrade available to address TCC shudder.

"Steve8" wrote: > Bucksnort73 wrote: > > > "eldred301" wrote: >  > > My interpretation of the above reference book > statement: >  > > >  > > The input shaft and the output shaft each have a > speed sensor. >  > > If the >  > > ratio between the input and output speeds does not > correspond >  > > to one of >  > > the "lockup" gear ratios, the transmission computer > assumes >  > > that one of >  > > the clutches is slipping and sets a corresponding > fault code. >  > > >  > > eldred > > > > Alright i have changed the input and output sensors > P-R-N-D-L- switch > > and the solenoid pack. Tranny works good until the torque > converter > > locks up then when it locks up it "chatters"(feels like it > does a > > double take when it locks up) > > Any suggestions? > > Are you using ATF+III or ATF+IV? TC "chatter" or "shudder" is > EXACTLY > why Dexron III is not to be used in Chrysler 4-speed > automatics. > > If its chattering WITH +III or +IV, then it may be a bad TC > clutch, or > its possible that your make/model has a trans controller flash > upgrade > available to address TCC shudder.

I filled it with atf 3 fluid also i noticed that it will go into overdrive and torque converter will lock up at like 35 mph

Read again his post where he makes mention of the TCM or Tranny Control Module, that is, the computer for the tranny. I don't see the original posts but if you have an electronically controlled clutch, then it's possible the torque convertor is starting to self-destruct because it's upshifting too slowly. A firmware upgrade done at the dealer for about $67.50 [unless a "recall" which is free] will help fix the problem.

I had this problem on an electronic, overdrive transmission and sure enough, it's nicknamed the famous 37 mph shudder. And wouldn't you know it, it came on like clockwork at 37 mpg, then as it got worse, 42 mpg and so on. Changed the fluid and filter, and upgraded the firmware to the latest revision and the problem disappeared.

Could this be relevant to your problem, you think?

I am not a mechanic but a handful of kind Chrysler mechanics, on this newsgroup and other groups, pinpointed the problem for me.

Common problem on 41TE boxes are the input & output speed sensors, it's worth changing both as the don't cost much.(at least not here in UK)