Uncool Britannia

You are repeating nothing but a hollow claim that you cannot back up with an example. Your "deduction" does not follow from anything that I have said, nor can it since it's an incident that happened. It's difficult to know on what basis you are claiming that it's "lies" since you seem unable to explain yourself.

So far you're about one step from telling me to Google for it, which is the usual last cop out of pratts like you.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) saying something like:

It's Jerry, ffs. He's only just got back out and his meds are all over the place. Hey Jerry - have you banged the rocks enough, yet?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "john" saying something like:

I never found the box all that odd, but the Perkins engine was a beaut.

Ah, the s*it brown of the 70s never really went away at Leyland.

I'm just disappointed that Dave is apparently trying to join Jerry in taking Valium cocktails with amphetamine chasers.

Someone I was at University with had a Morris Marina that they named "Toffey" because (a) it was brown inside and out and (b) the reg was TFY . I used to think at the time that "Pooey" would have been a better description.

Back on the subject of sabotaged cars in the 70s.

I got a short period of "Work Experience" at school at BMC Darlaston where they were making the car seats for Minis. The plant was (at the time) very modern making urethane foam mouldings that were autoclaved sealed moulds to control the pore size and seat density. At that time Jaguar seats were still padded with cotton waste (which was dyed pink and flameproofed). I worked in the factory making the padding (and also the fibres for pound notes) a few years later.

I saw examples of industrial sabotage at both places. Blokes thought it was hilarious to embed things in the foam seats - up to and including a human turd. For the Jag seats (I worked at that place from 1972 to 1977 during summer holidays) I remember one delivery of cotton from Hong Kong that had a complete take away dinner wrapped in a newspaper. That was carefully removed before the cotton was washed and processed and someone put it back into a bale coming out of the other end of the factory.

People put in nails, coins, tin cans and other assorted crap to "get back at the people who can afford cars like that".

So you assert, but that's utter bollocks. There's no PDI that says "strip down the carburettor". Also this was back in the early 70s when the industry worked slightly differently to the way it does today.

That's an assertion that has no basis in fact. If as you claim there was in 1971 a 100% PDI which included stripping each part down and then reassembling the car you might have a point. But that's not done even now.

In the 70s PDIs if done at all were cursory. Cars were sold in the hope that the new owner would not come back. Most drivers expected problems with starting, particularly cold starting. Runnign ruch was the order of the day and people didn't fret much about hideous fuel consumption. My father's car only managed about 17mpg even when working properly.

It was fairly clear that the previous owner had put up with the car being dog rough for about a year before selling it on.

You're certainly trying to spin a good yarn, but you're failing.

As to Dave Plowman's claims, the last Land Rover I had had been fitted with a Zenith carburettor. That seemed to run OK when I got it but had been tweaked to run incredibly rich. When my local garage tried to fix it they spent days piddling about adjusting the idle and mixture until finally admitting that a strip down was the way to go (and finding a leaking float). So unlike his claim, my experience is not that "Stripping and inspecting the carb would be one of the first things to do" it is in fact that it's the last thing that the garage tries after everything else.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Jerry" saying something like:

Heh. Probably better than you.

Apparently Jerky doesn't understand that a foreign body in the float chamber might cause intermittent problems.

Since I've pointed out that it showed up sufficiently for my father to take it back to the garage to have it fixed, no that's not what I've said or implied. However the previous owner didn't seem bothered by it.

So you keep asserting but all that you are doing is name-calling. You can't even manage to explain your grounds for objection, but then again it's all baseless assertion on your part.

I haven't "revised" nor is is "a story".

Jerky, you're a jerk.

Perhaps you can point out where I said that the PDI didn't exist?

I'm sure that you will be desperate to prove that you're not a liar...

Indeed, I worked at Pyms lane in Crewe when it was Rolls Royce Motors, now it is just Bentley Motors, however I never witnessed or heard of any sabotage tales during the years I worked there, but there was one report of a department manager noticing someone dragging a toolbox across the roof and was severely reprimanded.

Also I worked in the paint finishing shop which was designed to repaint areas that may have been damaged during assembly but because it took three months to build one car they were all covered in slight damage and had to be completely sprayed.

In the main paint shop the body shells were dipped but the finishing shop (in theory) only needed to repaint minor paint imperfections but it was easier to paint the whole vehicle than just do parts of it.

I was surprised at the heat that each car was subjected to when (except bumpers and chrome work) driven through the paint oven in full trim,

Stephen.

Read the thread, liar, I asked you if the car had been PDI checked, you said No, PDI was a standard inspection in the

: : I'm sure that you will be desperate to prove that you're not a liar...

Stop talking about yourself all the time.

YEs, I was surprised when I had a car resprayed at the heat it was subjected to after the respray. OTOH my current car seems to get that hot in the sun in Italy so perhaps it's not *that* extreme compared to what the car is designed to withstand.

No you didn't, you're telling a lie.

No I didn't, you're telling a lie.

And it was a lesser inspection than is applied today and dealers in the

And you *still* haven't explained at what point in a PDI the dealer would strip down the carburettor and examine the float chamber.

Apparently you're actually desperate to prove that you are a liar, as the above lies from you prove.

Oh well, another lie from Jerky the proven liar.

Perhaps you should lean something about carbs. I'll repeat - a poor idle caused by a rich mixture that can't be corrected by adjustment suggests flooding, and any quarter competent mechanic would then strip the carb to check the float mechanism and petrol inlet valve. It belies belief that a garage didn't do this on the first visit - let alone several, as you said.

And as I posted I've had a similar experience wih a Zenith carburettor on a Land Rover. Several trips back to the garage before they considered stripping the carburettor. Your assumption is that all garages are 100% competent. That prat Jerry's assumption is that PDIs are 100% accurate. So according to you no car ever leaves a garage with the original fault unfixed and according to Jerry no "lemon" is ever sold by a garage because the PDI sorts all of those cars out.

Both of you seem to assume that sabotage by disgruntled workers never happens. So it's odd that over the years I've bought a bar of soap containing a single-edged razor blade (surely their Quality Control is

What colour is the sky where you live? Lemon with pink polka-dots?

It doesn't matter how many times you claim that your assumptions are better than my experience of the event, you're plain wrong. The problem existed, my father was the one who stripped the carburettor, I saw the disk. And to claim that all cars leaving the dealers in the 1970s ran perfectly and were maintained by a flawlessly competent bunch of mechanics who efficiently diagnosed every problem is a bizarre claim on your part.

DOH! You put protectors over the bits that get damage.

How to build a car.

Just took 6 to 12 months to get from the end of the line to the UK road. Built 1/91, reg 5/91. Built 8/93, reg 8/94. Built 12/92 reg 12/94.

Story revision No.6....