Indeed and even if one doesn't it is quite possible to fit up a body shell into a fully functioning car (in less time that RR seems to have taken) without damaging the finished paintwork, so unless the workforce of RR was especially careless...
Then find one which is. If it were a new vehicle and therefore a dealer I'd expect them to change the carb if they couldn't fix the fault. If a secondhand vehicle, find a garage that knows what they're doing. You really should stop using Halfords for servicing...
I think the heat was not beyond the capabilities of the components, but it does make you think what temperature *is* beyond component endurance.
Stephen.
Yes they did use protectors mainly for the front wings but the paint work was still not up to the high standard even without minor damage.
May be the people on the build new it was going to be fully sprayed anyway so it didn't matter if there was slight damage.
Stephen.
We're talking about the past.
But today Kia announced they are recalling every Picanto ever made because of fuel leaks. Apparently you think every car should have been picked up on PDI,
That doesn't ask me if the car had been PDI checked. Nor does it result in a response as you claimed in which I state that a PDI didn't exist.
You're a liar and a proven liar at that.
Like I said in my other post, perhaps they didn't need to be that careful knowing they were to be painted anyway.
I remember being told at one time by a foreman that the finishing paint shop was supposed to just attend to minor paint damage during assembly but it turned out easier to repaint everything. Even without accidental damage, some paint work was substandard and needed further attention.
The RR paint work inspectors used special lighting areas to view what would normally appear to be perfect paint work but their scrutiny would often reveal defects not normally seen.
I remember seeing a Mercedese recently that had tracking lines and another having darker patches (blemishes), comparing those to a RR finish they were poorly finished, although some defects are very hard to see unless you know exactly what to look for.
Stephen.
I'm talking about a simple carb fault. When carbs where the norm a decent garage would know how to strip and inspect one for flooding. Not like today when they only work to fault codes.
I'm utterly amazed you don't understand this. Your father obviously did.
When I talked about the Picanto I was talking about a simple fuel leak. You know the sort of thing that's even more obvious than a carburettor with a sticking float. A fuel leak where the fuel leaks from the vehicle and no matter whether it is petrol or diesel it is obvious because it stinks and there are traces of fuel visible. If the entire Kia dealer network can miss this, it suggests that PDIs are the 100% effective system that you and Jerry seem to think they are.
Oh, I can understand that having made an incorect declaration you're going to stick to repeating the same rubbish. I also know how to service carburettors, however the garage in question did not choose to strip the one on my fathers car. It's entirely possible that they decided it was too much like work and if they could pass the car off as "running" by tweaking the idle screw then that was good enough for them. Or maybe they were incompetent, although apparently that never happened in the mythical time that you believe in when garages were 100% efficient.
My father didn't understand why the garage hadn't stripped the carb, that's why he did it. That and a big dollop of not wanting to pay someone to do a job he could do better.
: > I'm talking about a simple carb fault. When carbs where the norm a decent : > garage would know how to strip and inspect one for flooding. Not like : > today when they only work to fault codes. : : When I talked about the Picanto
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: >"Peter Hill" wrote in message : >news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... : >: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:40:00 +0100, snipped-for-privacy@btinternet.com : >wrote: : >: : >: >Also I worked in the paint finishing shop which was designed : >to : >: >repaint areas that may have been damaged during assembly but : >: >because it took three months to build one car they were all : >: >covered in slight damage and had to be completely sprayed. : >: : >: DOH! You put protectors over the bits that get damage. : >: : >
: >Indeed and even if one doesn't it is quite possible to fit up a : >body shell into a fully functioning car (in less time that RR : >seems to have taken) without damaging the finished paintwork, so : >unless the workforce of RR was especially careless... : : Like I said in my other post, perhaps they didn't need to be that : careful knowing they were to be painted anyway.
Why paint (top coat) then in the first place then, why not prime and colour the inside, shuts and engine bay etc. and leave the rest until major and bulk of assembly was complete?
Not doubting your story Steve but just the obviously sloppy methods of the then RR factory! :~(
Steve, don't feed the troll mate - he's a complete arse that takes pleasure out of getting others wound-up. He does this on loads of other forums - winds people up then disappears for a while, but unfortunately just like the proverbial bad penny he keeps returning! Badger.
This is a gross over-simplification. The entire dealer network did not miss this, because a recall is in place, and that means that the same fault has been spotted by more than one dealer.
Also a recall doesn't mean that every car has developed a leak but that investigating the ones that did revealed a design flaw where any of them could. In fact if you look up the recall notice it says that *in a few cases* the fuel filler neck seal has failed due to the effect of de-icing materials. So no leak unless you fill the tank to the brim, and a PDI wouldn't pick it up because the fault only developed after seal contamination by an external material.
All in all, an irrelevant example.
Jim
No it doesn't you're a liar.
Perhaps is was due to so many people working on them during the three months build, or because you cannot suitable paint dip metallic finishes. Or maybe the Foreman was incorrect in his assumption that vehicles should only require minor paint work after the initial build.
However the paint finishing shop painted the full shell including all door shuts and scuttle panel, the scuttle panel was probably less likely to sustain damage during assembly as this was always carried in the boot ready for paint.
The vehicles received 32 coats of paint so perhaps it was not important to sustain minor damage or have paint imperfections during the build.
Stephen.
No you didn't you're telling lies, again.
Here's a clue, bozo. THe post you keep referring to does not contain a sentence asking me "if the car had been subject to a PDI" it contains "PDI..." on a line by itself. That is not a question. It is not the question that you claimed that you asked.
It isn't even a statement.
Nor did I respond as you claimed:
"I asked you if the car had been PDI checked, you said No, "
That's two lies from you. You did not ask if the car had been PDI checked. I did not reply "No". I pointed out to you that no PDI involves stripping down the carburettor.
But you keep snipping these responses because they show your lies up for the lies that they are.
I didn't you're telling lies, again.
No, you're still telling lies and since all you can do is to tell lies and to issue abuse there's no point responding to your lies again. The art of troling is to make someone else look stupid, you're an expert at making yourself look stupid so you don't even make the grade as a troll.
Claiming that a post says something that it does not has to be the stupidest trick even you have pulled. Or perhaps you're just unable to read English?
snipped-for-privacy@btinternet.com gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Or, just p'raps, production efficiency wasn't exactly top of Rolls- Royce's agenda?
I have just got round to listening to this on iplayer.
Interestingly, in the early 1990s I worked with someone who commuted 40 miles each way in a 1300 Maestro. As he said at the time, it was dirt cheap when he bought it second hand, because nobody wanted them, but it had been well looked after.
He gave me a lift on a couple of occasions. The 1300 was undergeared for the motorway - 65 tops or else the engine noise overcame conversation. But it was reliable - I can't remember any occasion when it let him down.
Jim
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