email@example.com (Big Al)
Have a 92 Dodge W250. The throw out bearing is starting to go bad.
Has anyone here pulled the transmission and transfer case as a unit?
How bad was it?
Would it be better to separate them?
Any hints would be appreciated.
Al, Dreading this. I may start going out for quotes.
answers to yer questions......
I have pulled a hundred or so Mopop standards
The first one caused a couple skint knuckles.......
the last one was a breeze....(2 days ago)
as already stated by others in the thread......
YES....seperate the t-case from the tranny.
pay somebody to do it.
You should be able to get the clutch set with
pilot, release bearing, and flywheel done for
around $600 at a tranny shop. It'll be done
usually in one day.....and.......
WITH A WARRANTY.......and having the rear
seal and topcover resealed at the same time.
Nutt'ns quite a frustrate'n as get'n that big arse
assembly all back togeather.....
firing it up......
and ....."S C R E E E E E C H"......
someptins not rite...damn......gotta take it
(unless you payed someone to do it)
You can likely pick up the complete clutch set
for around $125 (give or take) for a high quality
set. You need to figure in t-case fluid and tranny lube....bout another
$20. Add for
rear seal and t-case gasket...bout another
$13. Add on for a can of brake cleaner....
don't wanna stick an oilly flywheel back on
with a new clutch disk......bout $2. Add for
having the flywheel machined.....don't wanna
have no clutch shudders.....bout $35.
Add for an engine oil filter and a quart of
motor oil......bout another $8.
so....not including "Go-Jo", and if you don't
use more than one can of brake cleaner,
and if you don't use silicone sealand on the
top cover, an if you don't drop it on yer chest
and have to run on down to the emergency
room for an x-ray........and you already got
grease for lubing everything back up.....
and you don't spend too much on beer fer
that buddy that's GOING TO HAVE TO
if figure if you do it yerself.........
AND DO IT RITE......
you should get out for around...$215 after
unless of course.....something went wrong
and you have to pull it back out......
on yer back..........
with a tippsy floor jack....
(you do got a floor jack....don't yuh?)
(how bout yer buddy...he got one?)
Worst Case Scenerios....
The case halves could leak fluid after you bolt
the t-case back on....(because you listened
to a good buddy and used silicone sealer
instead of a gasket...like i told you to).
You end up with a gag-awfull shudder because
the flywheel looked good "To You"....so you
you scrimped and didn't have it machined.
You get a growl or swak sound when letting
of the clutch when the trannies in gear.....
bcause you boogered up the pilot bushing
when you installed it.
The pedal goes to the floor.....and no amount
of pumping it gets the tranny to shift without
(do a repost if this happens...we're in to deep
to quit now)
You crack the bellhousing putting the tranny
back in when you tighten down on the bolts
because you tried to "pull" it up that last 1/2
inch or so.
No ones around........
when the tranny falls off the jack on yer arm.
You get it out..........
but screw that........
you're gonna eat crow and call somebody to
put it back in .......
cuz you show ain't gonna even try to do it
on yer back.....whewww....that tangs heavy.
($300 with the tow bill)
if you do decide to do the job, it's not rocket
science....it's common sense. Jest set aside
one full day for the job...tell yourself your not
stopping till your finished and don't mess
around with it....."git'r done".
On the ground, with a floor jack, with a buddy,
you should be able to do the entire job in less
than 4 hours if you buy everything ahead of
time....that includes letting yer buddy run down
to the machine shop and waiting on the flywheel, while you're changing
the rear t-case seal, pilot bushing, sanding the input shaft,
putting a light coat of grease on the pilot shaft,
the inner collar of the release bearing, and putting a VERY light coat
on the inner collar
of the clutch disc and on the release prongs
on the preasure plate.
Sand the rust off the "dowl pins" that are sticking out the back of
the engine block,
they're for lining up the bellhousing. Thick
arse coat of grease on these...and their mating holes in the
bellhousing. Not doing this "may"
cause probs sliding the unit back in.
Use a bronze pilot bushing....NOT a pilot
bearing...unless the bearing type is all you
can find. Bronze bushings hold up better
than the bearing type.....and are less likely
to get boogered up when you pound them
When using that plastic "line-up" tool that
comes in the clutch kit, hold up on it SLIGHTLY
while you tighten down the preasure plate.
Those things ain't precision and this will
save you bout 30 minutes of cussing when
you go to stab the tranny back in.
MAKE SURE......the bellhousing is FLUSH
with the engine when you tighten up the bell-housing bolts....DO NOT try
the tranny forward with the bolts.......EVER...
NEVER....EVER........unless you have to,
then be dang show you inch it forward and if
it ain't moving...stop trying and figure out whats
up. (maybe yer fergits to grease the dowl pins)
Taking it Out....
take the shifter out of the transmission....
remove the trim on the floorboard, inside the
cab, to get at it.
drain the t-case
drain the tranny
remove the engine oil filter
remove the bellhousing bolt that wouldn't
come out with the oil filter on.
remove the starter, and the threaded stud
that the bottom starter nut goes on.
remove the bellhousing bolt that was hidden
above the starter
remove the two tranny mount bolts and jack
the tranny up so that the tranny isn't sitting
it's weight down on the crossmember.
Take the crossmember bolts out .....beat,
pry, bang, and take the crossmember out.
It's pretty much common sense from there....
if you get a bolt that won't turn...whack it with
hammer and a punch. whack it...not tap it...
not bump it....whack it.
(keep this in mind on the driveshaft bolts
if they give you a prob)
and.....if you don't have access to a floor
jack (which is tricky as she-ite)...then do
a repost and I'll walk you through the
milk crate method....
one more thing.....
if you do it this saturday......
drag yer PC out under the truck with you.....
and if that tranny falls on yer arm.....
and yer buddy didn't show up like he promised.......
and no one comes when you start scream'n.....
do a repost and i'll quickly explain how to
an emergency amputation using a flat head
screwdriver and a pair of wire cutters....
~walks under the lift.....and goes back to work~