I feel compelled to speak, for whatever reason.
I'm having a problem with brand loyalty. I've owned mostly Mustangs, but
one mid '80's F-body and a Cavalier... with Probe GT and a T-bird SC thrown
in for kicks. One might think I'm brand loyal, but I'm far from it.
I don't see anything in GM's lineup that looks all that exciting to me right
now. If I wanted performance, I wouldn't be buying the plush GTO. I don't
like SUV's, so that takes away a large portion of it. I don't really want a
truck (though some days they'd be nice), but even if I did, I'd take an F150
as a work truck, or the new Ram (very close second). I'd probably take the
Toyota as a third. As for passenger cars... I'd say DC's my top choice.
I'd take the SRT-4 over an SVT Focus, a Stratus (even base model) over the
ZX-3 or whatever the Escort's replacement was, and the base Neon over the
Cavalier/Sunfire models. The Mustang Mach1 would supplant the GTO all day
long, and for the price, I could just get a Cobra and stomp all over it. As
for luxury performance models, the Acura RSX-S and the Lincoln LS are
leading the list. To be fair, I just test-drove a '99 WS-6 convertible the
other day. I like those cars as well, but they've gone by the wayside, and
were way too expensive. They also ratlle like mad. My friend has an '02 SS
w/ T-tops, and the car creaked every time I hit a bump. Sure did go like
You're allowed to like GM's powerplants. You have had luck with them. I've
been in NYC limos that have had well over 300k on the Ford 4.6 SOHC and
they're still running like tops, and you know those cars don't sleep.
Arguing the longevity point is meaningless unless you've owned the vehicles
from day one and have maintained them the same. Any Ford or Chevy will
explode under negligence and abuse, and everyone turns out a lemon every now
So... you can be brand loyal and allow the bowtie to cover your eyes, or you
can explore your options. Either way, I'm not going to complain. You don't
have to buy any Fords. You don't have to buy any DC products. Your money.
Brand loyal fools will downplay the problems with the Taurus transmission,
and argue that the Fiero only was self-igniting when owners didn't know what
they were doing. I'm hoping you're not a fool.
But the shot about someone who works on his own cars wasn't called for. The
only thing I let other people do to my car is play with the exhaust (and
weld the subframes when I get out to have them done). That's stuff best
left to the people with the tools to do so. I turn my own wrenches, just
like you. Bowtie or Blue Oval.
Man, I really have to stop writing when I'm dead tired and ready for bed....
So you're talking about taking a brand new $42,000 to $50,000
two-seater and putting another $30,000 or so into it to make it
something completely different from what it was (and in the process
taking it into Viper and Porsche 911 territory). In other words,
bench racing in the extreme.
Although I appreciate the creativity, I doubt if you could get the
weight down too much just by replacing body panels. 300 lbs would be
a miracle. The weight is carried mainly in the unibody, and you can't
do much about that. And would a Rat even fit in one of these? I've
seen underhood of just one and even that Gen 3 looked like a tight
fit. Better to go with a supercharged LS6.
To go back to your 20-year-old pickup for an example is to admit
We were talking about "bow tires," not GTO's. Although I guess the
GTO, with a Chevy motor and zero Pontiac parts, is more a bow tire
than a Poncho.
Did you know that the GTO is the only Gen 3 vehicle that still runs
the LS1 style heads. All others, including even trucks, run the LS6
style. Kind of sad, that "Pontiac" can't even put its best parts on
its performance vehicle. "We build excitement," huh?
P.S. Please realize I am no Chevy hater or blind-faithful brand
loyalist. I just happen to have a '65 Mustang fb (cost me $2500) and
a '70 Cleveland-equipped Cougar (cost me $1800) as my hobby cars at
the moment. But prior to that was a '67 Z-28, a '67 Malibu SS 396,
and a '66 big block Vette coupe.
My point is, since this is an actual vehical idea, it's not bench
racing. Im serious about doing it. Serious engough that I turned down
buying another project vehical. The lower cost route is to find one at a
salvage auction and purchase it that way. Then sell the un-needed parts to
salvage yards. A few Ideal with will take me to the auctions, and would be
happy to buy any parts I didn't need from me at a fair price.
That's one of the problems with a vehical your have not seen
dis-assembled. You have to guess at fitments. When you see one
dis-assembled you can take measurements and know plus/minus the normial
error factor what should fit.
I thought I had read that the SSR was body on frame built. I may be
mistaken. If it is The standard diet methiods would work well. If it's
uni-body, the only diet methiod that will work is a tube frame.
Not really. That 20 year old pickup out works most newer trucks. It
does the duty that most people would need a 1 ton for.
I said I would Rather Havea Chevy then a Ford. Does that mean Im buying
new vehicals? My last new vehical purchase was in 1998, a Buick Century.
Which my mother picked out. When that got totaled, I went out and bought a
used one of the same year, color, and almost the exact same options. That
car is for driving her places in.She chose what she likes to ride in. If
she left the chose to me, I would have bought a S-10 Blazer Extreame. Then
sold the 4.3 V6 and dropped in the 350 I have on one of my engine stands,
with the TPI set up from my 87 GTA.
I buy a lot of used vehicals. Some to rebuild & sell, some to drive
and sell, and some to part out. Out of the vehicals I own right now, I have
2 buicks. 2 Pontiacs, 2 Toyota's, 1 Isuzu, 1 Ford, 1 Rambler, 1 Nash, and
the rest are Chevy's.
The GTO is a Holden. Which is GM's Austrailian brand. Holdens use
parts from all other GM makes. I would really like to see GM bring over
the Holden Ute SS.
A few more Holden vehicals use the LS1 heads. While the GTO is the only
US sold vehical that does. I don't know why. Could have been
People assume Im a brand hater as well. I like what I like. Some
people hear would freak out knowing what I am doing with 2 toyota's.Let
alone the fact that I like Toyota's.
I know what Elky's are Jo-Jo. I have trucks for heavy hauling. A car
biased truck is more comfortable to ride around in chasing down parts
then a truck is. Hell driving around or riding around in our Suburban
with a trailer over 2000 pounds hitched to the back all day will take the
man out of most people.
Tell that to the DMV and the government then. They're classified as trucks.
My 'Chero has a HD rear suspension with coilovers and 10 leafs each side.
It's got a hitch and can tow anything a new F-150 can and has done so on
numerous occasions. It's a truck.
No, I didn't mean to be misleading if I was, but it's there. The PO put it
all in there cause he has a "rock band" and had to load up the bed and tow a
big enclosed trailer with all the equipment. I've used it to tow the '66 on
a dolly and my brother's '83 El Camino on a trailer (how embarrassing for
him, heh). Of course the motor's been gone through and is getting ~1hp per
cid and ~275 lb/ft range. No, I don't have dyno slips but that's not an SOP
estimate either. My engine builder has been building circle track and drag
motors for longer than I've been alive and runs a few "Legends" cars and has
a Dr. Pepper/Mountain Dew sponsorship locally for one of the truck series
(fiberglass bodies). I trust his estimate. It's a '68 302 that's now a 10:1
310cid with Edelbrock induction and MSD ignition (obviously more there than
just that but a quick overview). This sucker rides as hard as a brick,
kinda like an F-150 from the 70's (or a Ranchero with too much spring in the
rear). Without any weight in the bed, the rearend jumps a bit sideways over
the slightest manhole. It's so light it makes for some hair raising
I'll tell ya Don, I've always hoped for one but who knows? CJ seems
to have evolved beyond those days. I've seen a bit of thrashing here
and there, but nothing recent matches the TA posts from years ago.
Even if CJ never revives TA, I'll have many fond memories.
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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