The procedure is lined out in my Grand Marquis' Owner's manual...
As long as you've got *two* keys, programming up to 8 total keys is
pretty straightforward (at least according to my manual)
Otherwise, it's up to the stealership to program the keys...
"Stealership"... interesting term, sometimes....
FWIW, I am a "stealership" tech and I have no qualms about helping where I
can. Dealership rates are dealership rates... if you want second class work
for not so cheap, go to Canadian Tire. However, if you could form simple
sentences, you would see that I was talking about remote entry key fobs. To
program a key fob to a car that has RKE, you don't need ANY programmed
fobs... however, having a programmed key will help this part.
Now... what really amazes me is the number of folks that think they are so
perfect that they will never lose or misplace a keyring... something we see
"other people" do quite often. I would bet that there are many that have
seen this tale of woe over and over again, clinging to their last remaining
key.... and even more that possess two keys, and no consideration of
purchasing a third while the programming is cheap.
You, sir, refuse to work for free.... I also refuse to work for free and the
knowledge I have gained over the years is worth $$$$.
Rant on Jim. I don't work at a dealership. In fact, I work in an entirely
different industry, so I have no allegiance to dealerships from an
employment perspective. I have though, benefited greatly from a cooperative
relationship with my local Chevy dealership over the past twenty-couple
years. I buy a lot of parts from them to keep the cars in our family in
shape. Currently there are five vehicles I maintain in my household, four
of which are GM's and all of the Genuine GM parts that I buy (I do buy
aftermarket as well) come from this Chevy dealer. I've established enough
of a longstanding status with them that I've long paid shop floor rate on my
parts, I borrow specialty tools from them (simply sign them out and bring
them back), get advice/tips/etc. on problems that stump me or that require
knowledge I don't have yet, stop by for a scan at no charge, and on and on.
Stealership my ass. This is a great working relationship. I do spend a
fair amount of money over the counter every year compared to the average
consumer, and it's nice to have been able to develop this relationship.
Every time I stop by to pick up a part I walk out genuinely impressed by the
way the parts guys seem to appreciate the sale. Hell - I appreciate the
sale, especially at the discount level I get.
Here's my latest "stealership" story:
My daughter's '98 Malibu needed strut cap bearings. I suggested rebuilding
the strut since the car has 150K miles on it. We priced the aftermarket and
the best deal out there was $176 each from Advance Auto for a complete
strut. Rebuilding was not really an option since component prices (shock,
bearing and labor rate for strut compressor) made that not-cost effective.
I did not price the dealer, thinking that a strut was going to be an item I
wouldn't be able to get a good enough price on. Finally, went the salvage
yard route. Bought a pair of newly installed struts for $65 each. Still
had the paint and the stickers on the struts. These were almost brand new
struts. So - we got a pretty good deal. Turns out I was at the dealership
for something else and they asked me why I hadn't priced them there. Told
them I was sure it was going to be higher than my daughter could afford. To
make a long story less long, they looked up my price and informed me that
the next time I probably should stop by. My price for OEM brand new
struts - $102 each. My daughter saved money and she got a good strut, but
that was a fluke - they were almost new. All things being normal, the
"stealership" was by far the best deal out there.
I would like to point out that NOT all dealerships are created equal!
I have had a jaundiced opinion of dealerships for years! And with damn
good reason, I had been ripped off by them one too many times.
However, having said that, I deal with two dealerships at the moment.
One a GM, and one a Five Star Chrysler - both owned by the same
"group" and under the same name.
These dealerships have literally seviced the heck out of me. Whenever
they can, they have gone above and beyond the call of duty. I ALWAYS
get a loaner car when mine is in for service - and ALWAYS a Mini-Van -
not a super sub-compact! One time I have the loaner for over a week
while they waited for parts to arrive!
The service has been SO GOOD, that both my wife and I have been asking
"Why buy a car anywhere else???"
Now to be clear, most of the work the dealership has done for me is
warranty stuff. I went to a trusted local shop for a tune-up because I
simply am not going to pay $250 (P, L, & T) for a dealer tech to
install six spark plugs. But when it comes to the tricky stuff, and
the weird little problems that can crop up, these dealerships have hit
the ball out of the park every single time.
Because of THESE dealerships, I have a whole new respect for, and
relationship with, them!
So if you are not getting the service and support you want / need, the
look to switch dealers! Like everything else in life, there is good
and bad. After YEARS of "bad, I have finally found "Good" and it is
Just in case anyone from the lower mainland of BC is reading, I am
refering to "Carter GM" and "Carter Dodge" on Logheed Highway in
Burnaby! A more honest and service oriented pair of dealers you will
NEVER find! And this is more than likely where we will buy our next
car from. The after sales service is just SO worth it. :)
But I used to own a 1987 Olds Cutlas Cruiser! 2.8 litre MFI engine.
The emissions on that car were so low that the local testing station
could barely measure them! And that car got WAY better gas mileage
than I am getting with my 2002 mini-van!
I thought that there were supposed to be improvements in BOTH
emissions AND gas mileage as years went on! And as I already stated,
even my 1994 WAS an improvement over 1987, but 2002 and things are
Something ain't right.
And in general, people expect a certain amount of "pep" from their
car. If they have to, they will put their foot down farther to get it.
So, if the STATIC emissions are lower, but the mileage and performance
is less, then the DYNAMIC consumption and emissions will go up based
on driving habbits! SO the net effect is that lower static emission
vehicles will likely pollute MORE when driven in real life conditions!
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:32:31 GMT, "Jim Warman"
Defintitely larger than the Olds Wagon. But the 1994??? I can believe
that, for some strange reason, it is heavier, but wider??? I dunno. I
could get way more stuff in my 1994 than I can in the 2002. And
remember that my 1994 was not as aerodynamic as my 2002.
Oh well, other then the gas mileage, I love the car. It is great for
hauling around my family. So I guess that I'll just have to suck it
How the heck can you lose *both* keys?
I;m keeping one on me, the other set (along with the remote starter's
remote) is at my dad's...
as soon as I receive the uncut keys I've bought on Ebay (12$), I'll
program them and keep one at my workplace and the other one at one of my
female friend's place
For once I agree with you. Someone on a forum on which I was reading up
on the topic of the outragious cost and complexity of smart keys stated
that a replacement key for a Lexus cost $340 - and programing of that
key was additional cost!
I replaced a key in my wife's '99 Buick - had a "chip" in it. A little
internet research showed that the "chip" was a resistor. Found the
value of the resistor, hard wired that value resistor (from Radio Shack)
across the two wires of the "special chip reader" circuit in the vehicle
wiring, and had Walmart cut a standard (non-"chip") resistor key of the
same otherwsie design, and it worked like a champ. I had several copies
of the key made for spares ($0.75 each). Dealer wanted over $35 for the
"high tech" key.
Funny how someone can get arrested and prosecuted for price gouging in
areas with natural disasters if they charge too much for certain
commodities, yet this kind of crap is allowed to go on without penalty.
BTW - I'm told that the systems on GM's (and others) have been made
"more sophisticated" (i.e., not a simple resistor) since '99, and if you
lose a key or problems develop, you are SOL without spending a *lot* of
money. We have way surpassed the point of diminishing returns on some
of this technology crap (and I say that as an engineer and circuit
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address with the letter 'x')
Yes, my wife's 2001 Sebring key is over $200.
Another reason to keep an oldie car, but I recently heard from a car
mechanic that thieves are now stealing the oldies that don't have such
fancy anti theft devices.
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