Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation

Oy, vey! You're a collectivist! Look, I don't 'own' anything that belongs to my insurance company, my bank, or any other company I do business with. That's the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. Read the above a few times until you understand it.

Companies charge what the market will bear. Period. They are in business to make a profit, not to provide me with the benefits they get from their investments. What a convoluted mess your thinking is!

--Geoff

Hmmm. I'm pretty sure Windsor is part of southern Ontario, and it has just as big a stake as Toronto does, proportional to its size.

Are you a disaffected Canadian? No wonder you're confused with socialist ideas.

--Geoff

In addition an V6 Avalon will cost at least $10,000 more than the larger V8 Grand Marquise GS.

mike hunt

Art wrote:

This thread is a prime example as to why one should not reply to a post after about the sixth or seventh post. The original question concerned information on an automobile purchase LOL

mike hunt

Geoff wrote:

That is true but when engaged the torque is biased to the rear, as in the case with just about every other AWD system.

mike hunt

john cl>

I don't know how it works in the US but in the UK there is often little connection between top executive pay and share-price performance. To think that a plummeting stock-price always results in overpaid execs getting pay cuts is a pipe dream. It's become an issue in the UK and, indeed, the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline (world's second-largest pharma company, an Anglo-American corporation) was recently forced to take an emoluments cut because of a shareholder revolt.

It may not be my business what a specific CEO gets if I am not a shareholder, but it CAN BE viewed as a social issue. To think that remuneration committees and executives are not in a back-scratching society is naivety. In Europe many executives from, e.g. German and Dutch financial institutions were shocked at the salaries in the Anglo-Saxon companies they acquired in London. In fact, it has been rumoured that one reason that Daimler-Benz was so keen to get involved in the USA and be listed on the NYSE was so that its CEO (Juergen Schrempp) could have a vastly-inflated US-level salary.

Sorry, but NO person is worth a salary of 14 million dollars a year to run even GM. Bill Gates and Steve Balmer are 'worth' their zillions because they are owners/shareholders of a cash-manufacturing machine they started, and good luck to them. Does anybody honestly believe that a GM CEO would do the job less well if paid a quarter of the present salary??? People at that level do that job for many reasons, including power.

DAS

Absolutely right, but it makes for a pleasant diversion (without having to seek out another discussion forum), does it not?

DAS

You are very ready to accuse somebody of 'socialist thinking' when they don't agree with you on economic matters.

DAS

BUT we have access to McDonald's, Wendy's (occasionally), Dunkin Donuts (occasionally).

US police might like to follow the German motorway police and drive BMWs, Mercs and Audis...

:-) DAS

You'd be surprised at how much of Europe's mobile population tries to end up in Britain, that little group of little islands off the coast of the mainland...

(A lot also heads for Germany.)

:-) DAS

Insufficient reliability and durability.

Ah. Everyone ought to think just like you do. Understood.

Sure. So then there's no such thing as Americans who lack access to basic healthcare, for instance?

That's true the truly poor get their health care for free. It's called Medicaid if not that then it is free via the Hill Burtan Act. LOL

mike hunt

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:

How many via the methods mentioned? Are any swimming the channel or even walking the chunnel? ;)

mike hunt

Dori A Schmetterl>

Windsor? Oh right... The Michigan Casino location... See I was looking at it on a tax dispersal basis. Seeing as most government offices, Major Hospitals & quite a number of Auto plants absorb money within a 30 minute drive of the GTA that the GTA was where the sucking sound originated.

Infact unless I'm mistaken Bill Ford (Grandson of Henry Ford) came to the Oakville plant to get his $100 million corporate welfare cheque the other day. Not a Windsor Plant, not a St. Thomas plant. Sad I know, but.... Reality.

Don't worry about my dis-affection with any nation state. My disaffection would be more trans-global & structural in nature.

As for confusion with socialist ideas....If only. The past is the past, socialism, capitalism and communism are dying or dead around the world. Look to the future young man, don't fasten your ambitions to a sinking ship.

I was referring to global market share. Market share that was, in part developed by bombing (or benefitting from the bombing) of other motor vehicle manufacturer's plants thereby destroying competitors production capacity (UK, Germany, etc)

So you are failing to acknowledge that you are part of the worlds upper class and that collectively; through Charity we have destroyed the garment production industry in Africa? Through subsidies we have destroyed the profitable sustainable farming in South America? Through embargo's and subterfuge we have destroyed the Soviet block's standard of living and environmental sustain ability as well as their secure hold on their weapons? Through the world bank we have forced open immature markets and flooded them with consumer goods destroying their developing manufacturers.

Here's the crux of the question: How much did YOU personally do to guarantee these actions took place? How much more productive do you feel you are than an East Indian University graduate working for pennies on your dollar?

Now take that relative comparison and transpose it onto any American CEO's wages relative to any other cultures CEO's wages. Still think that American CEO's are exponentially better?

Compare Standard of Living per hour worked Norwegian to American. Might come as a bit of a shock to you. Many Europeans only work 35 hours per week v/s 45-55 hours per week in the US and England (I should specify that hours worked apply for men primarily).

I wasn't inferring that there would be a return to Feudalism, merely that as an aging and fractionally small percentage of the worlds population we should be thinking of a way of increasing everyone's wealth not just the wealth of a few.

If things continue as they have been the past 10-20 years the US will be looking to China for Aid and support in the Future just as England now looks to the US.

however ya gotta admit that it's kinda fun.

my initial response was "midsized buick"

Irony is that for an "insult" to carry any weight it must both bear some % of truth & the recipient must have some ego identity tied up in the label. I think that Capitalism should have died with Cromwell's Republican England along with the later notions of Socialism and Communism.

I've got no lost love for any of those systems. Though I must say that I'm still quite enamored with the automobile after all these years. If only they could design a cheap, high capacity, super efficient fuel cell.... I'd love a Rolls Royce that would do 150 MPH for 600 miles per fill of cheap hydrogen.

What year New Yorker? There was a time when New Yorkers were larger cars (back when they were based on the Aspen/Volarie chassis). However, I specifically asked about the particular Dynasty that was being replaced and got the size specs for that model (the one based on the stretched K Car chassis). The numbers I posted for the other cars are for the latest models (except the Dynasty of course).

Regards,

Ed White