Aimed at the same people who have always used "premium" fuel, simply
because "it's premium". Also, "if it costs more, it MUST be better."
There are those here and elsewhere who would tell you, "if you can't
afford the service, then you can't afford the car." They use that to
defend a Lexus ES350 oil change costing $150 compared to the $30 oil
change on the same engine over at the Toyota dealer.
Those people are defending their burning need to BELIEVE.
And Infiniti has chosen, brilliantly, to cater to people who WANT cash
to leave their pockets. That cash is GOING to leave their pockets no
matter what; Infiniti figured it might as well go into Infiniti's
coffers as to Starbucks for a $5.00 cup of coffee.
Last December I bought a new car, trading my 3 year old with 67000 trouble
free miles. I do believe in proper maintenance but I'm not going to follow
the dealer's recommendations. When I bought the car they gave me a service
"menu" with the miles, work to be performed, and cost. Following their
schedule I'd have spent an additional $2200 in that three years. As for
trade in value, they never looked at the car so it was not something that
had payback in resale.
"jim beam" wrote:
<the usual troll of snide comments on creative writings of others>
<the signoff motto: nomina rutrum rutrum>
Using a Latin signoff motto has become a fad because it gives
a writer an air of learning. Lucy Kellaway, a columnist for
Financial Times, experimented with converting modern
expressions to Latin. One of her samples was the expression,
''call a spade a spade''. The translation came back:
''nomina rutrum rutrum''.
Some who see the world in black and white have copied
and adopted this Latinized signoff as their own. Whenever
you see someone using this expression to suggest an air of
learning, remember that it was conceived as a joke, and that
its true translation is: ''call a shovel a shovel''.
Cross posting left in because I'm a dork....
A look at the oil change intervals for the new Fords coming down the
assembly line will be an eye opener...
FWIW, the lubricants "available" in America are likely amongst the best in
the world... low ash content for diesel applications and various other
requirements placed on engine oil (and other lubes) by the applications they
are designed for... If one is to be concerned about "quality" in any areas -
I don't think it would be with packaged lubes but with bulk fuels....
packaged lubes that bear appropriate ratings, at least (will SpamsOil ever
get an API rating?).
Back to lube intervals... Many of the new and current Ford offerings have
the IOLM (intelligent oil life monitor) system. Here
is a cut and paste of a message we got from the mothership (missing is the
page that indicates which model/engine combos have what system). Notice that
SOME oil change intervals can go as long as 1 year or 10,000 miles (16,000
There's some pretty neat stuff hitting the streets these days... including
the dual plug 6.2 Ford and the "reverse flow" 6.7 diesel...
I totally forgot "the flip side of the coin".... An abandoned 2006 Fusion...
left on our doorstep like a baby in a basket.... 100,000 kms or so on the
ticker and only two oil changes to it's history. The amount of sludge under
that valve covers is still a topic of conversation around the shop...
The longer we extend the service interval, the more important it becomes to
1) years back I had a Mustang with the 2.3 (or was it 2.5?) 4 cyl OHC
that had oiling problems for a couple years, i.e. many of them wiped-out
cams before they should. I did the 3000 mile oil change routine and it
ran as new during my tenure and was still going strong 5 years after I
sold it to a neighbor - but then it had only 138,000 miles on it when I
sold it......don't think the neighbor kept it much past 200,000.
2) both my current Fords have the oil change reminder feature.......it
apparently has a good deal of Logic built into it: if I don't drive
much, it seems to take time into consideration and will start bugging me
around 3400 miles. If I do a lot of highway driving, it doesn't mind
how many miles since the last change. It's almost creepy. I wonder if
it knows that I'm using conventional oil, not synthetic?
And the more important it is to check behind whoever you pay to do them
to make sure they actually do them. I've personally seen too many
examples of where that was the case. Imagine being on a 5000 mile
change interval and two changes are faked.
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
You have joggle my old farts memory.... we get a lot of 6.0 and 6.4 diesel
engines through our shop (no surprise since we ARE a Ford dealer) that have
had aftermarket oil filters installed. Jiffy Lube will happily dispose of
your old filter cap since the aftermarket filter comes with it's own (ill
fitting, leaking) cap.
Here in Canada, that new oil filter cap (the one that will cure your oil
leak) is about $90 CAD (not including the price of the new oil filter).
Choosing a mechanic is like choosing a doctor... find one that you can
easily get along with... find one that is brutally honest... Be aware that
he may make the odd mistake and he will fix that mistake without hesitation.
Many of my customers have been coming to me for 30 years or more....
Quicky oil changes by inexperienced minimum wage earners shouldn't be a
viable option in anyones playbook... FWIW - I am paranoid to the point that
I'm reluctant to eat in a fast food joint where I can't watch my meal from
beginning to end... (Did anyone see that Gordon Ramsay show where the fast
food guy picked a piece of food up off the floor and tossed it back in the
deep frier? Yummmmm!!!)
That's the rub. It comes out of a tank. Neither you, nor the service
station who uses it, KNOWS for sure what brand the oil REALLY is -
except for the lube shops that are owned by a particular oil company.
And then you don't know for sure what line of oil they are actually
using. Every oil company has their "economy grade" and their
"premium" at the very least.
I know for a FACT that sometimes when you order (as a garage) a
certain brand of premium multigrade oil from a distributor you do NOT
get either that brand or their premium oil.
When you use packaged oil you KNOW what you are getting.
I'm NOT saying that bulk oil is in any way necessarily inferior - I
used to use bulk oil a LOT in my service station and dealership days.
I generally bought only directly from the oil company - when at the
service station from the oil company that owned the fuel tanks -
Texaco , Shell ,, Esso, etc, and at the dealerships from the single
line distributor for either Castrol, Quaker State, Kendall, etc or the
oil companies listed above.
When the dealership started buying from a large industrial lubricant
company that distributed Quaker State, Valvoline, Castrol, and several
other lines we never knew for sure what was in the tank. Can you say
"brand of the week"?
The only way to know what oil you were REALLY getting was to order
Kendall GT-1 - none of the "competitors'" oils were that distinctive
Well, at least you think you do. Further, when you get expensive oil out
of a bottle, who knows if that is really what you're buying,
partilcularly at a place where you're not the one opening the bottle.
At our company's fleet garage, we bought "bulk" oil, but it came
packaged in 55 gallon drums. It was never delivered in a tank truck
and pumped into an open bulk tank.
This level of "bulk" was substantially cheaper than buying bottled oil,
and the risk of contamination was less.
I used a lot of "barrel" oil for many years from the multi-line
distributor, but then they decided they didn't want to handle barrels
anymore at they put in bulk tanks with metered pumps - made it a lot
wasier than pumping from a barrel into a pouring can - no more funnels
required - and less, not more, possibility of contamination because
there were no extra containers or stages of handling involved.
The only problem is you NEVER really knew what you were getting. They
handled Valvoline, Castrol, Quaker State, and at least 2 other brands
- all of which made good oils - and also cheap oils. Which grade
were we getting this month? from which company?.
The article linked above is also a helpful read. I noticed the part
that says "Depending on driving conditions, we expect oil change
intervals could be approximately:
Up to 10,000 miles Normal commuting with highway driving
5000 to 7500 miles Trailer tow/high load driving
3000 to 5000 miles Short trip usage, extreme cold or hot
The fact that two very different different car manufacturers (Honda
and Ford) are saying a 10k mile interval is fine for many speaks
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