It is sometimes possible to negotiate this situation with the vehicle's
computer, in which case the cost is not hugely unreasonable. Some
locksmiths can handle this; any dealer should be able to.
If not, it becomes necessary to replace the vehicle's computer, in which
case costs probably start around $500 and go up from there. In that
case, you're talking to the dealer, or possibly to an auto mechanic if
you're willing to accept a second-source module.
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in my area $150 plus trip charge..
the ignition lock has LITTLE to do with the system too..
no transponder-no start..
plus proof its your vehicle..
IF you regularly have it serviced at a Ford dealership- call..
this will mean an extra tow charge to get it to the dealership..
if you have only one key, it requires the programming tool to add
you cannot 'have a transponder key cut', put it in and turn on
and have the vehicle work..
If you are interested, the programming tool that the dealer uses
is about $7,000 plus now, too.
You simply need to have two new keys cut for the vehicle and reprogrammed.
Just call your dealer for a price..Replacing the computer will only place
you back to square one- you will still need the keys cut and programmed.
Also, it is the KEY that enables the ignition; it will still not start
just because you break the lock and are able to turn the switch.
the transponder started in the Explorer in mid-year 2001
A locksmith that does trasnsponder keys can help you with
prices vary depending on your goegraphical location.
price for making key + programing key + transponder key.
we would charge in our area $150.00
note; while you are at it, have two made and programed.
that way you can add a third key yourself without having to
get it programmed.
sorry for the cross-posted reply.
just trying to locate you.
This is indeed the truth.... 02 and later pretty much (AFAIK) conform to the
user being able to program a third key at home providing they have both
programmed keys. Before 02, there were some variations as PATs strategy was
being implemented/studied/improved.... this included no user programmable
features in some years/models.
One should always be wary of assuming things....
wrote in message
as it pertains to the topic at hand....
I dug this link out.
As to the OPs concerns,
I agree with the higher minds hear........
Be it from a locksmith or the dealer,
getting another key is the least costly
alternative. Not the only alternative.
Just the most economical and most
about your link. wtf is this guy talking about, volts of resistance?
get a pack of resistors close to your voltage.....ok.....right...
shouldn't it say measure your keys resistance, buy resistors to
match...Is he just making this up? he also said the wires are covered in
tubing that say 'SRS caution' on them. OMG. did you read it marsh?
I read it.
Don't know how true it is....but I read it.
If you click on the link at the top right of that post......
it'll give the thread it was posted in.
I know it's doable on the the GM vats systems that use
the resister in the key....but....I've yet to come across a
sure fire method on Fords pats systems.
The dude that made the post may not have used his
terminology according to practicle application, but I
understood the proceedure as he outlined it. Not so
sure I'd be brave enough to go chopping on wires marked
for the SRS though. lmao..brave dude.
like they say on TV......don't go try'n this at home. :)
VATS is way different than PATS (as the Ford system is known as).
VATS was used on GM type vehicles and involved a resistor. The early
models used values 0 to 15. The later models dropped 0 and used 1 to
15. It is essentially a resistor embedded within the key. You have 1
out of 15 (or 16) of getting the resistor value correct. Think of it as
a letter of the alphabet (as an example). Just guessing the correct
letter is fairly easy.
PATS (and all other Transponder technology) uses a transponder, which is
a radio wave frequency. The computer sends a signal to the head of the
key and it responds with a unique value. If the value programmed within
the computer memory is found, the vehicle will start. There are
BILLIONS of transponder codes within this technology. There is no
fooling the system with a resistor. Think of it as a fingerprint.
Guessing what fingerprint it requires is a whole lot more complicated.
Sunshine Locksmith Team
Marsh Monster wrote:
but I am very much aware of the differences in the two
systems.......and the operational parameters of the two.
nice posting style.
==================I'm afraid I don't fully understand your question in the format
that it's posted.
Feel free then.......
to rearrange the atoms and repost........
Feel free then....
to omit a word.....
maybe it will be clear to me
i can give you an answer,
which I am eagerly wanting to do.
i'll check on the other threads in the post.
~well then....that ortah git'r done then~
we program all car key keys 30.00 and programing 40.00 u have to have a tool
to do most cars but not the gm,s the tools well cost you 5,000.00 up to do
all the car we got an ngs tool for fordthat was 4,000.00 and dart
1,000.00and a t-code tool that takes the place of the other 2 that i would
like to see
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