We have all heard this before. FORD == Fix or repair daily or Found
on road dead.
I recently posed a question about a coolant leak in my 98 Grand
Marquis. Granted this is not a new car, but when I add up all of the
cash that I have put into this car, I am a ut disusted with it all,.
$700 for ball joints and tie rods
$200 for Pitnam Arm
$90 each fo CAP COILS; 8 coils = $720
$300 for Shocks.
$300 for wheel bearings.
and who knows how much for the coolant leak. If it i the plastic
intake manifold then that repair has got to be 3 figures.
These repairs were all made in the past year. This car is costing me
My brother is a mechanic and he owns his own business. He doesn't like
the idea of buying imports over American, however, he admitts that he
hardly ever has to do these types of repairs on Toyotas.
I have about had it wih American cars. They better get their act
together. I still don't understand why they haven't learned how to
make reliale cars.
On my Ford Contour with 131,000 mi on it, I have had to replace the brakes a
few times (and the rotors once), both front wheel bearings, one front axle,
and some bulbs. The total, besides normal maintained, was about 0.5 cents
per mile. I can live with that.
A lot less than gas, even when gas was less than a buck per gallon.
Good old european design. Locally built which keeps the cost down.
Reliable little cars - and the 4 cyl is not even too expensive to
service when things go wrong. The 6 is a bit of a different story -
but I love it. (hate working on it, but that's the price I pay - my
wife likes it, so as long as nothing major goes wrong I'll keep fixing
More goes wrong on my Pontiac Trans Sport, and it is no easier, and no
cheaper to fix.
The best cars I've owned, as far as repair requirements were my '80
Corolla and '81 tercel. Nothing broke on them - and they were both
high milers. Second best would be the '88 Chrysler New Yorker - it had
a good appetite for cyl heads - was on the third set when I sold it
with 240,000KM on it, but overall was VERY reliable. Never let me
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You don't say if you bought it new. If not, well....
My 97 T-bird (145 K) has been a dream for me because I'm retired. Other
than the legendary manifold problem (dealer replaced original with one
that lasted 7 yrs) its been trouble free. Brake pads, tranny flush,
bulbs etc. Sneaking up on 10 years. No bitch at all.
~We have all heard this before. FORD == Fix or repair daily or Found
~on road dead.
~I recently posed a question about a coolant leak in my 98 Grand
~Marquis. Granted this is not a new car, but when I add up all of the
~cash that I have put into this car, I am a ut disusted with it all,.
~$700 for ball joints and tie rods
~$200 for Pitnam Arm
~$90 each fo CAP COILS; 8 coils = $720
~$300 for Shocks.
~$300 for wheel bearings.
~and who knows how much for the coolant leak. If it i the plastic
~intake manifold then that repair has got to be 3 figures.
~These repairs were all made in the past year. This car is costing me
~My brother is a mechanic and he owns his own business. He doesn't
~the idea of buying imports over American, however, he admitts that he
~hardly ever has to do these types of repairs on Toyotas.
~I have about had it wih American cars. They better get their act
~together. I still don't understand why they haven't learned how to
~make reliale cars.
Planned obsolescence? Actually it's only Asian cars that are reliable,
Eurotrash breaks down almost as much as American crap.
I AM a mechanic... I originally bought Ford because my Dad wanted me to buy
Dodge or GM.... In 1988, the TFI module on my 85 failed..... In 92, the
alternator failed on the same truck...... Gawd, my life is miserable...
FWIW, I see a list of "sacrificial parts"... those we expect to have a
finite life. I have changed these because they are maintenance items..... I
would hazard a guess that your brother sees more Fords and such than Toyota.
After years of reliable service.... knowing my wife is safe on lonely
highway trips, I can honestly say that I am not <a ut disusted with it all>
Inciteful remarks will gain you more derision than admiration......Are you
related to "nomen"?
Funny how people fool themselves in to thinking "It's not that bad"...
Just like when we take my crown vic on a trip somewhere "oh its not
"THAT BAD" on fuel" (compared to a civic).
Or when we take the truck instead of the cars... Oh its not "That bad"
compared to the cars... the truck is only 3 times harder than the civic,
and the crown vic twice. hahaha.
Just funny how we fool ourselves.
I will drive a ford until i'm 6' under... but I know the quality of
domestic hasn't touched (in all respects) that of honda, toyota, and
I think your brother is charging you too much....:)
Are you talking about ignition coils? If so, how the hell do all eight
go bad? How many miles on that car?
I will admit that full size ford's (CV's are my experiance)seem to have
junk front ends. All the parts you mentioned plus bushings. Oh, and of
coarse the famous plastic intake. The aluminum ones on the 95's didn't
crack and leak.
You know, now that I think about it, your right, Fords are junk. :)
I've never known ANY ford front end ot be any good. for awhile there, i
had an old nissan, nought it with 220k kms on it sold it with 340k. i
put a strut, clutch (at 225) two sets of brake pads, and fixed a fuel
line leak, and before i sold it, it needed a balljoint... still had the
ORIGINAL ball joints in it all around until 340k kms! (most fords are
ready for the shitpile by then if not before -- my cornw vic will be in
the shitpile around 200k i figure).
What i'm getting at is, every year my truck needs some front end work,
and the crown vic is slightly less since it doesnt get driven as much...
but still rediculous.
The parts in domestic vehicles just aren't engineered to handle the same
stress as toyota for example.
Fords / Chev parts are engineered to take 30% more of max stress, where
toyora/honda is more like 80%.
Like i said, i will still own a ford forever hahhaa.
Unless Toyota can make a real truck, instead of minitrucks.
I don't know why people haven't learned to not buy them (like me!)
God knows they can't make a truck, or a fullsize car... guess i have one
of each hahaha -- thats why i don't own foreign.
Wife has a civic... i get tired of it... no repairs, nothing in the last
90,000kms... guess i did put brake pads on the front and change the
oil every 5k. that stuff gets boring... hafta own a couple fords to
give me something to do.
Bullshit, I'm a veteran Camry wrench on my sister's car, you know the sludge
They are no better than the domestics, just more expensive to repair.
150k on '88 Bull 'till the notorius bad tranny went. Alternator
166k on '94 Bull, sold it. Just a water pump & radiator.
105k on '00 Sable, just a COP coil so far.
Oh wait, I forgot, in foreign car lingo any part is just maintainece so I've
had no probs with the Fords I drive, just maintainace.
105k, 150k, 166k - That's the kind of mileage known as the 'break-in
period" on most Japanese cars.
The root problem with American cars can be summed up in 3 letters: UAW.
You need to understand that when unions were first formed about a
hundred years ago, it was with the promise that they would ensure the
highest quality, best trained workers on the planet - in return for a
decent living wage.
And (for a while) they made good on that promise, with evening classes
at the union halls, required periods of on-the-job experience for each
'level' of worker classification (Trainee, Journeyman, etc.) actual
EXAMS the workers had to pass to move up to their next classification,
and other restrictions.
All of that gradually fell apart, and by the early 70's pure
adversarial greed (and the hell with worker quality) became the UAW's
The result is obvious, and inevitable....GM, with declining quality
cars since that period, will only be the FIRST American car maker to
either rid itself of the UAW or cash it in (fold) trying. Its Delphi
division has reached that point already.
Ford is in only slightly better shape, and its quality issues are still
rampant - that despite the "Quality is Job 1" image they spent millions
on, in an effort to offset the the growing concern that their problems
were starting show up (big-time) on the street.
And Daimler-Chrysler's answer is to market "eye candy" and let their
dealers work out the problems.
Anyway....the root question posed above is "Why are American cars still
so unreliable? and the root answer is that they're (now more than ever)
stuck with crappy, overpaid workers that no other country would put up
Why is it that Jap Scrap owners think their Jap scrap is more reliable? I
have news for you, it's not. I wrenched on them for a number of years, and
they are no better, period. They put out the argument, look that toy
dealership doesn't have as many vehicles in their bays. While the Gm or Ford
dealerships have three times as many in theirs. Simple math you Jap scrap
MORONS. Gm and Fords sell four times as many vehicles as your scrap shit.
I currently have and use daily a 92 Taurus. I can say unequivocally that
this is a highly dependable car that has had only the following repairs:
Struts front and rear plus rear mounts.
Convert to R134.
That's it. The car has 100,000 miles and the struts were just done a month
However this car does rattle a bucket of bolts.
I have owned a lot of cars in my time and I can say from my personal
experience that this ford is the exception when it comes to repairs. My
Japanese cars have been much better than my American iron in the repair
department and the build quality is far superior in terms of fit finish. I
don't even want to talk about a quietness comparison because it would be so
Japanese cars do seem a hell of a lot better from my experience.
I can also give you my experiences with Jap Scrap too! 87 Honda accord had
cam replaced at 30-40,000 k's due to worn out lobes, what the fuck is up
with that. Kept it for a couple of years more. As it rusted away, rattling
apart, bad interior noise, front end falling apart, wasn't more happier
when the day came to get rid of that piece of shit. On the other hand,
replaced it with a 97 v-6 contour, and quite frankly haven't had a lick of
problems with it.
Never replaced a cam on a Chevy or a Ford? Haven't been a mechanic
very long, have you???
Also, over the last 20 years, the japs have come a long way, and
FORCED the american manufacturers to start doing the same. Never saw a
Ford Torino with the mirrors and door handles falling out at less than
3 years due to rust?? Again - you haven't been a mechanic (or even
alive) very long, have you???
The Contour IS a nice car - Got one for my wife and we both love it -
as long as I don't need to service it. But, although it was BUILT in
Kansas City, it hardly qualifies as an American car. It is a Mondeo -
through and through. The engine was designed by, of all companies,
PORSCHE, and the heads are a COSWORTH design. Just as miserable as ANY
medium to high end Euro car to work on too.
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The timing belt can be a PITA to change, especially since you have to
use specialty tools and the fact that they have adjustable and
non-adjustable camshaft timing can make it a bear to get the right
parts for it. I worked on one of these where there was a mixture of
both on the engine. I remember buying both a pre- and a post-adjustable
kit and we used parts from each to get the car back on the road.
Did I miss something??? A 2.5 liter V6 with a timing BELT???????????
The 4, yes - and the Zetec is NOT the Porsche designed engine, and is
NOT a terribly nice engine in any way. The belt CAN be changed without
special tools if you know what the tool is designed for, and you do it
another way. The belt on the Zetec is fragile - and sometimes you get
lucky and the "non interference" engine actually does NOT bend the
valves when it lets go.
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I've seen many rusted out domestics, never replaced a cam on one that was
only 14000 miles old. Probably been wrenching longer than you've been alive
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