Any body hearing about new polutin controls on 07' diesels. I don't need anew truck yet but am afraid of the first coupe of years of any new changes. One that scares me is some type of urea injection and a particulate filter in the exhaust. Anybody know anything.
THe really big change start in 08 and that when they are going to have to get exoctic to control NOX emisions big time because diesels are very big NOX polluters. (one of them is equal to about 5 to 7 gas trucks in NOX emissions). They are finally closing the loop hole.
----------------- The SnoMan
Your soon going to see cats on diesel engines. The big issue has been soot pluggin them up. Electronic fuel injection and the move to low sulfer content fuel are eliminating that issue. I suppose there will be the same misconceptions and bemoaning of cats hurting performance, but as long as they aren't plugged they don't hurt anything. But I am sure someone will come back with an antidotal story about his second cousin's brother-in-law's third cousin twice removed's neighbor having had a problem. And contrary to many an old timer's thoughts, a pouring coal black smoke out the exhaust diesel isn't making more power, its running way rich and wasting fuel, besides stinking up the air. I like Detroits and Macks, and even fond of Isuzus when it comes to small engines.. I am neutral on Cummins, hate Internationals, and cant stand Cats.
Whitelightning
This may help you to understand any new emission controls that may be added to diesels in '07 and beyond.
I like Cummins and Internationals and try not to purchase anything Japanese; that economy certainly doesn't have our best interests in mind...that's why I frequent this Ford newsgroup. Why are you here?
Way are you down on competion so much. Some of those foreign diesels are as good or better especailly the smaller ones because they come from countries that have long paided a lot more for fuel and have a lot more experiance with them too. While a Cummins is a good motor, I for one would be far more impressed with them if they did not take a
1300lb motor from a 2 ton truck and put it in a 3/4 or 1 ton P/U and claim a to have a high tech solution. (nothing high tech here at all) IH is the same and the new 6.0 PS has but loaded with problem and it remains to be seen what the new one coming out will do. What would impress me would be if they could get the weight down a good bit because in a pickup, your engine and transmision should not equal 20 to 25 percent of its total weight. Deisel became popular because of lower fuel prices and no serious emisson requiremtns. Well, that has all changed and starting in 2008 it it is going to put it on a lot tighter leash and cheap fuel is gone forever and lower sulpher processing with add 8 to 15 cent a gallon more too. Factor all on this and they will likely loss a lot of luster in coming years as it will be easy to make a Gas engine run on gas, alchol, propane, natural gas, hydrogen or the soon to be marketed P fuels while a diesel can only run on diesel or biodesel basically and biodiesel increase NOX emissons even more when they are going to take drastic measures to reduce NOX starting in 2008 and we do not need a fuel to make it worse (or engine because diesels are VERY big NOX producers that have escaped regulation for years). The diesels best days in light duty trucks are behind it, not ahead of it.----------------- The SnoMan
The Dodge 04 1/2 up CTD already meets 07 standards, has a cat and triple event injection.
Al
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I love diesels. But here's the rip of it, why cant GM, Ford and Chrysler come out with a small diesel? The little Isuzu diesel used in the Pup truck, I-Mark sedans, and Chevy Chevette was a decent engine except for the rocker shaft set up for the valves. As long as you didn't break a timing belt you were fine. VW had a decent little diesel in the Rabbits, and Audis, and most everything they built in Germany. Corn binders had injector pump issues that made an Olds 5.7 look dependable. Cats cost too damn much to buy and to fix when they break, which happens more often they like to let on. Cummins is just Cummins. While the beast in the Dodge is a good engine, I can remember a time when you couldn't keep head gaskets on a Cummins and you could take a nap waiting for the rpm to drop so you could shift. Detroits leaked, but they ran, and with the advent of the Series 60 engine the leaks went away, so alas did the two stroke, and Mack, I still see B series Macks earning a living, the last one rolled out of the factory in '65. Speaking on Isuzu, I figure ThermoKing has at least twice and close to three times as many reefer units on the road as the next closest competitor, which is Carrier. Every one of those ThermoKing units has an Isuzu diesel engine. There is no worse duty cycle I can think of than those of a reefer's power plant. 20-40 starts a day,short idle then wide open, short idle and shut down if its in cycle sentry mode, otherwise its loping just above idle and then wide open, back to idle, back to wide open. Why the hell cant/wont Ford and GM build an engine that can take that? Why wont they come out with a small 4 cylinder diesel suitable for the Ranger/Colorado? The buyer is some of the problem. Its got to have 500 hp and its got to tow 12,000 lbs at 85 mph and he wants 30 mpg doing it. The public wanted a small diesel back in the early 70's. I did more than a few
3V-92 installs into just about every light truck you can think of. Damn thing ran well, but still weighed too much. Whitelightning
Prolly so he can pass on antidotal (anecdotal) information as fact.
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