Well... I am happy for you. I guess the thing is that I am going
to follow you as well in the near future and get a Sienna, not
for the looks nor the style, but the reliability and security.
Plain and simple. Only fools buy cars for their looks and style.
You see, I am the typical "joe-off-the-street" guy that GM wants
desparately to have/keep as customer with their employee
discount, whatnot promos and promisses. I am not a GM-fanboy like
most posters here who seem to be blind to everything that is not
GM: they live and die for GM. I am a simple guy, father of 4, a
single income family who likes cars and vans. I need a family
van. I need sometime reliable, because I cannot afford to be at
the dealership every month and spend 4K a year in maintenance and
This is why I am considering a Sienna or an Odyssey. These are
not much more expensive than a Venture. And there is, in my mind
anyway, the perception (backed up by anecdotal evidence from
friends and family who have these vans) that they do not break as
much. Because they are more reliable, cost of repair is less of a
worry for me (I did call dealers and found out that most major
Toy and Honda parts cost the same or 5% more than GM and Ford, so
I am not worried about that either).
Right now, I drive a 2000 Venture with more problems than I have
the time to write about here. They all started 3000Km after my
warranty expired (yes, 3000 KM!) and GM did not want to help me.
I tried everything to convince them that it was not normal that a
van maintained at the dealership for 4 years would break down so
fast, so much.
Have I writen off GM altogether? No. But now I do not trust their
products anymore, nor their aftersale customer service. I need
peace of mind for myself and my familly and the only way I would
consider a GM again is if they would have a longer, better
warranty. Some time ago a poster suggested that GM should
implement a 10-year warranty. Not a bad idea. I might go again
with GM if their warranty was longer (say 7 or 8 years). Come on,
GM, if you make great and reliable products, back them up! There
is a perception that you build crappy cars and vans. You need to
change this and the only way to do so is to put your money where
you mouth is. If not, you will lose another customer. And
another, and another, and so on...
If a warranty is what is important to you, consider this idea. Buy the GM
vehicle that suits your needs. You can purchase a 100,000 mile extended
service plan, even one that included all scheduled maintenance for far lower
drive home price than many of GMs competitors and still have money left over
to buy your fuel for a year or so. ;)
I would not consider a car, or mini-van, if I needed to purchase an extended
warranty because of reliability issues. Exactly what will be covered ? When
and where will it break down ?
GM has to do some serious house cleaning. First, big paycuts for anyone who
wears a suit and has executive in their title. Pay them $50,000/yr plus
bonuses for profitability and market share. Except for Bob Lutz.
I had the option with Saturn of $3500 or 0.0% off of a 2005 LEFTOVER The 06
had 3.9% with no rebate.
I always look at the bottom line. Much the same would go with an inflated
trade-in offer. It all comes down to the bottom line. TOP, total cost of
Methinks you are confusing the 'selling price' with the TOTAL COST and the
method of payment. The selling price is only a part of the total cost of a
vehicle. There has not been a 'discount for cash,' since the thirties when
dealers accepted time payments to sell cars. The total 'drive home' price
of any vehicle depends on the selling price, which includes any rebates and
or discounts off MSRP, the value amount of the trade if any, as well as the
profit on dealer installed options, 'fees' a dealer charges, the actual
government taxes and fees, and the cost of financing the necessary funds to
complete the purchase. The price at which a dealer is willing to sell you
the vehicles over and above his NET invoice price has no effect on how you
pay for that vehicle. You can get the money from a relative, write a check
or finance the amount due from any source you choose. The dealership earns
extra profit if you finance through GMAC, a bank or a finance company. At a
given interest rate the dealer will receive a percentage of the interest,
generally around 1%. At zero interest GM still offers the dealer a finder
fee of a few hundred dollars. There is no way you can finance THE SAME
AMOUNT OF MONEY for less anywhere else, when compared to zero interest.
What I was trying to enlighten you to, was you the fact that you could have
purchased the vehicle at that same price, no mater what the salesman told
you. How you pay the selling price is not a factor in the selling price
only in the total purchase price. Did you get the paint sealant, fabric
guard and mud guards, as well? When I was still in retail we loved buyers
like you. LOL
When I was in retail I was Group Sales Manager, for ten years, for a
mega-dealership LLC that own stores in six eastern states. We sold just
about every brand available back then. Generally it was easy to sell the
add-ons to import intenders that domestic intenders. LOL
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