You information is not correct. GM's 'share' of the market is
down, as a percentage of the ever growing market, but GM's total
sales are UP. GM sells more vehicles today then when it had 50%
of the US market in the fifties because the total number of
vehicles sold was less than half of what it is today. Do some
research before you post on a subject of which you apparently
have little or no knowledge, WBMA
John Horner wrote:
I guess by 2007 even in total # vehicles sold, GM will be second to
Toyota. Here is the story link:
Last year, Toyota zoomed past America's Ford to become the world's
second largest car-marker by unit sales. Now it is chasing General
Motors, the largest group. On Tuesday Toyota forecast that its sales
will rise 7 per cent next year, to 8.03m units. It also pledged to sell
8.5m units in 2006 - or the same as GM.
Moreover, in the metrics that truly matter to investors, Toyota is
already way ahead. In the first nine months of this year, its profits
were almost as high as the "Big Three" US carmakers combined. Meanwhile
margins were about twice as big - not least because Toyota, unlike the
Big Three, has not offered hefty sales incentives in the US, where it
now holds a 12 per cent market share.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:41:42 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
I worked for an AMerican computer company that went "belly-up".
In the preceeding years, management alternated between;
Reducing our benefits
Increasing the work-load
Fattening up executive bonus/pension packages.
GM sales are up for 2004, and they sell far more than
any other manufacture. They must be doing something
right. What is with the comparison with Toyota? Even Ford
sells more that twice as many vehicles as Toyota ;)
"James C. Reeves" wrote:
What is you point? When I worked as a Sales Manager
the most important question the customer asked before signing on
the dotted line was, 'How mush is my monthly payment?' Even $20
made a difference in their decision to buy.;)
Derek Clarke wrote:
Go ahead Mike, drink the coolaid. GM is doing a terrific job and manages
the best run automobile company on the planet. Everything is going great.
Nothing to worry about. Silence the critics. Everything is fine,
everything is fine, every ....thing ...... is
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:42:18 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
This I believe is the heart of GM's issue. It's not necessarily the
vehicle's (my Olds is flawless approaching the quarter million mile
mark) but I never ever take it near the dealer.
There are issues with every car. My '81 Supra got really light in the
front end at anything over 100 MPH & I never really got the A/C to
work like a vehicle sold in N-America should work. but the dealer was
always behind me 100%.
GM / Ford & Chrysler engineer's are the best in the world BUT ! when
you've got a company founded by bean counters (GM) lead by bean
counters & operated by bean counters the end customer's (the dealers)
are going to get shafted by the short sided sods. That'll make it's
way to the customer's invariably..
It's your money spend it were you wish buy I hope you don't have
one of those Toyotas with what Toyota calls an oil 'gelling'
problem that is eating up engines. Or a Toyota out of warranty
with the reoccurring brake problem that is eating up rotors or
one with the early tranny failure problem between 40K and 50K.
Trout Fisherman wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:40:38 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
GM has a problem with a large group of their engines (piston slap).
GM has a problem with rotors and brakes being eaten up prematurely.
The problems are not localized to any one manufacturer, more likely a
select group of suppliers providing sub-statndard parts.
That was my point, Brad. Believing any one manufacture makes
vehicles that are far superior to another in the same price range
is a myth. From what we see in our business, and we service them
all, all manufactures are building good vehicles today. They ALL
build some that are not up to snuff, as well, that is why they
a warranty. The only real difference is style and price.
Japanese vehicles cost 20% to 30% more to drive home than do the
comparable size and equipped domestic vehicles. Give any brand
the proper preventive maintenance and they will easily go to 300K
trouble free. The problem today is many seem to believe the
manufacture has an obligation to fix their vehicles for as long
as they own them. Hell I remember when new car warranties were
1,000 miles or thirty days. It took thirty years till
warranties went up to 4,000 or ninety days, WOF
You are correct about the brake problem, it goes way back to the
governments ban on using asbestos. Same problem with paint,
government banned some paint ingredients. The government and the
environuts did not allow time for the manufactures to develop and
prove the alternative materials they had to use in place of the
banned ingredients and the consumer and the manufactures paid the
bills for the governments mistake.
Brad Clarke wrote:
This is a serious question, not a troll: are you sure about that? I saw a
new '05 Corolla (5-speed) that stickered for just barely over $14K. Is
there a domestic equivalent that is 20-30% less? What is it?
I find www.jdpower.com an interesting website.
Click on the automotive section and see which brands are best in different
I own an 04 Toyota Sienna van and an 04 Tundra DC. When I compare the areas
that are most important to me ( overall quality, and resale value ), I find
that my Toyotas come out on the top of the list and Chevys are at the bottom
of the list. Makes me happy that I finally made the right choice in what my
ex GM owner,
Chuck in Phoenix
">> a warranty. The only real difference is style and price.
It is your money, spend it where you wish. I know I do, but after
buying numerous Lexus V8's I bought a 2000 domestic luxury car in
1999. I have since owned several and they have proven to be just
as reliable as my Lexus, but far less expensive to buy and
maintain. As I said, from what we see in our business there is
little difference among brands, except style and price. J D
Powers does indeed list Toyota as having the least number of
problems reported by owners at 1.1 per 100 vehicles but the worst
Porsche, is only at 1.5. Hyundai is behind Toyota 1.2 problems
per 100 vehicles hardly much of a difference. In my opinion,
certainly not worth the premium price of a Toyota and their part
costs. If you are going to base your choice of a vehicle on the
opinions of others, found in surveys, why not believe the most
important of all surveys of owners? That ultimate survey, the
one where buyers make their choice and put down their money to
buy those vehicles, is sales. The Camry is the number one
selling car in the US. Apparently more buyers in the US buy the
Camry, even though it is only assembled in the US of mostly
imported parts, than any other car because they believe it is
best car for their money. More buyers in the US, more than twice
as many as buy the Camry, buy the Ford F150 because they believe
it is best truck for their money and have for 28 years. GM is
second in vehicle sales and Dodge is third. Each sell six or
seven times as many F150's, Silverados and Rams as Toyota sells
Tundra's. Not only do buyers buy Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks by
the millions, they do it over and over again year after year.
Surely they would not continue to go back and buy the trucks they
do, rather than Toyotas, if they actually believed Tundra was a
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