Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation

If you are thinking about an Avalon, drive one with a bunch of miles on it first. I own a 300M and an Avalon and the Avalon is a rattle box. And that is one of the better features.

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If you look at the specs for the various cars mentioned, the only area where the Dynasty is significantly "bigger" than an Stratus, Accord, Malibu, or Camry is the overall lenght and the trunk size. In fact it is smaller in many dimensions that matter (interior room) compared to the Accord, Malibu, and Camry and smaller than the Taurus in almost every dimension. It is closer to the Stratus in size than to the 300 - at least on the outside. The 300 has terrible intreior room for such a large heavy car - I guess it really is a throw back to the "good" old days of Chrysler.

Here are the comparisons:

Dynasty Accord Taurus Malibu Camry Status 300 Wheelbase, in. 104.5 107.9 108.5 108.3 107.1 108.0 120.0 Overall Length, in. 193.6 189.5 197.6 188.3 189.2 191.2 196.8 Overall Width, in. 68.9 71.5 73.0 69.9 70.7 70.6 74.1 Overall Height, in. 53.6 57.1 56.1 57.5 58.7 54.9 58.4 Curb Weight, lbs. 3276 3053 3313 3297 3362 3182 3711 Cargo Volume, cu. ft. 16.5 14.0 17.0 15.4 16.7 16.0 16.0 Seating Capacity 6 5 5or6 5 5 5 5 Front Head Room, in. 38.3 38.3 40.0 39.4 39.2 37.6 38.7 Front Leg Room, in. 41.9 42.6 42.2 41.9 41.6 42.3 41.8 Rear Head Room, in. 37.8 36.8 38.1 37.6 38.4 35.8 38.0 Rear Leg Room, in. 38.9 36.8 38.9 38.5 37.8 38.1 40.2

Check the specs above, the Taurus is bigger than the Dynasty in almost every dimension. The Avalon is little more than a widened Camry with some extra sheet metal tacked on to make it look bigger.

Ed

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C. E. White

I actually have an Ecotech 4 in a Saturn and really like it. Of course I only have 20,000 miles on the engine., but I swear I've never had an engine that keeps the oil looking so clean and that is with 6,000 mile oil changes. I keep waitng for the oil change indicator to tell me it is time to change oil, but so far, I've always changed it before the light came on becasue of convenience issues (changing before a trip, or ona slow weekend). So far the engine has not leaked any oil, or given me the slightest reasons to worry. Maybe it will turn south before 100,000 miles, but at this point I am a very pleased. I only wish the VTi transmission would inspire as much confidence. This is the first GM car I have ever owned, and so far, I am very pleased. It is not like the old days when my uncles always used to leave oil spots all over our driveway when they visited in their varous GM products.

I've been associated with so many crappy Chrysler products, it would take a lot of convincing before I'd buy anything from DC.

Ed

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C. E. White

Depends what years you are looking at, I guess. My New Yorker sitting beside the neighbour's Camry, is DEFINITELY larger. Travelling in the New Yorker or friend's Camry, the Chrysler DEFINITELY has more room, width and length and hieght.

The new Camry is a bit bigger.

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nospam.clare.nce

To tell you the truth, I'm not bothered by my insurance premiums. I live in an area with a huge population and a lot of crime, yet my premiums are still affordable with decent coverage and low deductables. I've got no problem with how State Farm or Allstate or AAA spend their money. Why do you?

For somebody who's not against W, by the way, you sure sound like a lib to me.

--Geoff

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Geoff

Look, the world changed in the 1970s, and America's borders started to open up. You expected GM to retain the market share it had in the 1960s when there was virtually NO foreign competition worth mentioning?

Like I said before, what they make and what they do to get it is none of my damn business, and I think it ought to be viewed as same by everyone else. That said, I posited some *really good* reasons why the people on top make the money they do. Debate those, whydontcha?

However don't forget another place and time ("let them eat

Good Lord, 'class divide'? Horsepucky. The 'class divide' is being manufactured by the American Left. It's a complete fabrication!

Everyone else seems to realize that you get what you want in this country through creativity, dedication and effort.

There's no danger of a return to feudalism in America. And I tire quickly of comparisons between (socialist) Europe and the United States. Of course Europe's economy sucks and the U.S. people get paid better and have a higher standard of living. This comes as a surprise to you?

Europe's problem is that it has been seduced by socialism and leftist policy. Things will get far, far worse there before they improve.

I appreciate the distinction.

--Geoff

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Geoff

"user156" wrote: > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:57:11 GMT, "C. E. White" > wrote: > > > snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:34:48 -0400, "C. E. White" > >> wrote: > >> > >> >

I think the older Dynasty and New Yorker share the same dimensions. The car feels very very roomy, and delivers a lot of bang for the buck for such a budget car (New Yorker of course more expensive). Looking for a replacement in the same category.

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steve

Oy, vey! You're a collectivist! Look, I don't 'own' anything that belongs to my insurance company, my bank, or any other company I do business with. That's the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. Read the above a few times until you understand it.

Companies charge what the market will bear. Period. They are in business to make a profit, not to provide me with the benefits they get from their investments. What a convoluted mess your thinking is!

--Geoff

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Geoff

Hmmm. I'm pretty sure Windsor is part of southern Ontario, and it has just as big a stake as Toronto does, proportional to its size.

Are you a disaffected Canadian? No wonder you're confused with socialist ideas.

--Geoff

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Geoff

This thread is a prime example as to why one should not reply to a post after about the sixth or seventh post. The original question concerned information on an automobile purchase LOL

mike hunt

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BenDover

I don't know how it works in the US but in the UK there is often little connection between top executive pay and share-price performance. To think that a plummeting stock-price always results in overpaid execs getting pay cuts is a pipe dream. It's become an issue in the UK and, indeed, the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline (world's second-largest pharma company, an Anglo-American corporation) was recently forced to take an emoluments cut because of a shareholder revolt.

It may not be my business what a specific CEO gets if I am not a shareholder, but it CAN BE viewed as a social issue. To think that remuneration committees and executives are not in a back-scratching society is naivety. In Europe many executives from, e.g. German and Dutch financial institutions were shocked at the salaries in the Anglo-Saxon companies they acquired in London. In fact, it has been rumoured that one reason that Daimler-Benz was so keen to get involved in the USA and be listed on the NYSE was so that its CEO (Juergen Schrempp) could have a vastly-inflated US-level salary.

Sorry, but NO person is worth a salary of 14 million dollars a year to run even GM. Bill Gates and Steve Balmer are 'worth' their zillions because they are owners/shareholders of a cash-manufacturing machine they started, and good luck to them. Does anybody honestly believe that a GM CEO would do the job less well if paid a quarter of the present salary??? People at that level do that job for many reasons, including power.

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

Absolutely right, but it makes for a pleasant diversion (without having to seek out another discussion forum), does it not?

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

You are very ready to accuse somebody of 'socialist thinking' when they don't agree with you on economic matters.

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

BUT we have access to McDonald's, Wendy's (occasionally), Dunkin Donuts (occasionally).

US police might like to follow the German motorway police and drive BMWs, Mercs and Audis...

:-) DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

You'd be surprised at how much of Europe's mobile population tries to end up in Britain, that little group of little islands off the coast of the mainland...

(A lot also heads for Germany.)

:-) DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

Insufficient reliability and durability.

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Daniel J. Stern

Ah. Everyone ought to think just like you do. Understood.

Sure. So then there's no such thing as Americans who lack access to basic healthcare, for instance?

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Daniel J. Stern

Windsor? Oh right... The Michigan Casino location... See I was looking at it on a tax dispersal basis. Seeing as most government offices, Major Hospitals & quite a number of Auto plants absorb money within a 30 minute drive of the GTA that the GTA was where the sucking sound originated.

Infact unless I'm mistaken Bill Ford (Grandson of Henry Ford) came to the Oakville plant to get his $100 million corporate welfare cheque the other day. Not a Windsor Plant, not a St. Thomas plant. Sad I know, but.... Reality.

Don't worry about my dis-affection with any nation state. My disaffection would be more trans-global & structural in nature.

As for confusion with socialist ideas....If only. The past is the past, socialism, capitalism and communism are dying or dead around the world. Look to the future young man, don't fasten your ambitions to a sinking ship.

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Full_Name

I was referring to global market share. Market share that was, in part developed by bombing (or benefitting from the bombing) of other motor vehicle manufacturer's plants thereby destroying competitors production capacity (UK, Germany, etc)

So you are failing to acknowledge that you are part of the worlds upper class and that collectively; through Charity we have destroyed the garment production industry in Africa? Through subsidies we have destroyed the profitable sustainable farming in South America? Through embargo's and subterfuge we have destroyed the Soviet block's standard of living and environmental sustain ability as well as their secure hold on their weapons? Through the world bank we have forced open immature markets and flooded them with consumer goods destroying their developing manufacturers.

Here's the crux of the question: How much did YOU personally do to guarantee these actions took place? How much more productive do you feel you are than an East Indian University graduate working for pennies on your dollar?

Now take that relative comparison and transpose it onto any American CEO's wages relative to any other cultures CEO's wages. Still think that American CEO's are exponentially better?

Compare Standard of Living per hour worked Norwegian to American. Might come as a bit of a shock to you. Many Europeans only work 35 hours per week v/s 45-55 hours per week in the US and England (I should specify that hours worked apply for men primarily).

I wasn't inferring that there would be a return to Feudalism, merely that as an aging and fractionally small percentage of the worlds population we should be thinking of a way of increasing everyone's wealth not just the wealth of a few.

If things continue as they have been the past 10-20 years the US will be looking to China for Aid and support in the Future just as England now looks to the US.

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Full_Name

however ya gotta admit that it's kinda fun.

my initial response was "midsized buick"

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Full_Name

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