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19 years ago
These kids were on their way to buy some grapefuit. But because of the accident, some grapefruit went unsold and thus affected the price since now there were more grapefuit available on the market than there would have been had the kids bought some.
Sheesh! Must I spell everything out for you?!
Lighthope
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And if you are involved where it is not your fault your car can be your best witness. I think with my driving habits I would like to have it available.
Maybe we should outlaw surveillance TV in stores too so if you hold up the place the tape can't be used against you.
We actually have the Vetronix equipment that can download the airbag module. It can be seen here-
NHTSA loves these boxes. They know that if you know there is a crash recording....you drive safer.
The black box data can also help you...this is from our website...
Is the stored air bag crash data really that valuable?
Consider this case where data was downloaded from the air bag SDM / EDR module.
In 2002, a woman crossed a center line on Drake Road in West Bloomfield, Michigan. She was facing two years in prison for negligent homicide until prosecutors downloaded her car's black box.
They found she was travelling below the posted speed and that there was no evidence of increased speed. The conclusion? She hit a patch of ice. Charges were reduced.
"I believe it saved her from being convicted of very serious charges," said her defense attorney.
We actually have the Vetronix CDR equipment. The dealers do not. A factory GM Tech 2 cannot collect the crash data. It can be seen here...
Is the stored air bag crash data really that valuable?
Consider this case where data was downloaded from the air bag SDM / EDR module.
In 2002, a woman crossed a center line on Drake Road in West Bloomfield, Michigan. She was facing two years in prison for negligent homicide until prosecutors downloaded her car's black box.
They found she was travelling below the posted speed and that there was no evidence of increased speed. The conclusion? She hit a patch of ice. Charges were reduced.
"I believe it saved her from being convicted of very serious charges," said her defense attorney.
That's not a very accurate analogy as you don't own the store but you do own the car.
Another free market success story. ;)
People that get thrown out of a vehicle get killed by blunt force trauma to the body, head injuries, etc. They could of died even if the truck was doing 25 mph.
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Every issue brought up here is overblown... though I aint in favor of tattle- tale boxes, that's the least of anyone's worry when you look at the big picture... until the E-Check scans for highest speed recorded and cops issue tickets on the spot.
Nomen Nescio opined in news: snipped-for-privacy@dizum.com:
I find it easier to wear a ski mask when I rob stores. This way I don't have to worry about my rights being violated when I'm knocking over some joint. ;)
This thread reminds me of a member of a state legislature trying to get a law passed that would not allow cities to put out "Radar in use" signs when in fact there were none. Those signs were making people obey the law (speed limits) when they didn't have to.
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege. A "black box" that records drive input is not a violation of privacy. It is in the best interest of the public to have accurate information about the driver's actions at the time of an accident. If you don't like it, don't drive. My habits are such that I don't worry about "black boxes"...I stay within the law. Those teens are dead because the driver was breaking the law. Now at least, the parents will not be able to sue the state for building a faulty road, the vehicle manufacturer for building an unsafe vehicle or the other car(s) involved for causing an accident. We all win in this case.
snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net (Harry Face) wrote in news:25521-41886D82-209 @storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net:
My stepfather got about 3 tickets for not wearing a seatbelt. He claimed it was safer. "If I'm in a wreck, I want to be thrown CLEAR of the accident, not stuck in the car where I could be crushed." He wasn't joking either. I guess he wanted to A. receive the initial trauma of the collision and B. get thrown out of the car breaking bones on the way out and then thrown for dozens of feet onto the concrete. Yes he was/is a dumbass.
I suggest that you take a look at the newest AutoWeek, they have a decent sized article in it and some of the manufacturers stances. DaimlerChrysler and Toyota/Lexus are starting to use them while GM and Ford already do. Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, BMW, and Porsche all don't use them. "We don't want to put our customers in the position of having their own car testify against them." Gordon Keil (NA BMW spokesman). "Porsche customers traditionally value the sense of indepence that driving can provide. Therefore, we believe they would be opposed to Porsche equipping its cars with devices capable of monitoring their movements."
I guess I know what my next car is going to be coming from, BMW or Porsche.
I'm here because of NOT wearing a seatbelt. Back in 1978 I had a wreck where I flipped my car and was thrown clear. If I had stayed in the car I would have been crushed due to the roof being smashed down to the level of the dash and tops of the seats.
No, it's a right. If I pass the test and obey the law, is there anything they can do to stop me from driving? No. That makes it a right. Just like the right to vote. As long as I obey the law (no felonies, am 18 or older) I get to vote.
Just because a bunch of people yell "It's a privilege" long enough does not change the fact that it's actually a right.
Or it is your position that voting is also a privilege? Or that speech is a privilege?
Lighthope
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"Mark" wrote in news:bWNid.889$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
There are some freak accidents where a seatbelt might do more harm than good, but statistics show that seatbelts save way more lives than not. What kind of flimsy car were you in? Usually the roof doesn't smash down that much. Unless you were a stunt driver in the 'Blue Brothers' driving one of the '74 Dodge Monacos or something.
I think you would have trouble arguing that in a court of law.
Privilege:
Right:
Actually, yes. If you fail to renew your license, you will be ticketed. Accepting the requirement of a license makes driving a privilege. Constitutionally, we all have the 'right' to operate an automobile on public highways without a license. By voluntarily obtaining a license you give up that constitutional 'right' and accept a state administered 'privilege'. This has been tested and won in courts of law, but I'm not enough of an activist to try it myself.
I'm telling you that if we ever built an island and populated it strictly with people who were better off for not wearing a seatbelt in a major accident, then you'd be pretty lonely. I've been to hundreds upon hundreds of auto accidents, usually before the police arrive and long before any investigators get on scene, and I can tell you as an eyewitness to the aftermath the accidents where wearing a seatbelt wouldn't have had any positive benefit it wouldn't have mattered either way. Having the roof crushed down is no guarantee that you would (or would not) have been injured - I've seen people come out of worse with no more than scrapes and bruises - but it was nothing more than SHEER LUCK that you didn't get hurt being thrown from the vehicle. You could have easily fractured your skull, severed your spine, or struck/fractured/impaled/ruptured/severed any number of vital and non-vital parts when you hit the ground. Being thrown from an enclosed vehicle is one of the criteria that gets you taken directly to a trauma center without passing Go or collecting $200.00, regardless of how good you feel after the incident. My advice to you is to not bother buying lottery tickets - you've used up all the luck you'll probably ever have.
Cheers - Jonathan
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