Just walked over to look at my neighbors new Toyota Corolla.
It IS a nice, well-finished sturdy looking car.
And, it's the fourth new Corolla on my block in the past few months.
When I asked my neighbor "Why Toyota?"
I got the usual answers; value, reliability, resale
Looking around my neighborhood, I see that
less than one in six vehicles are American made.
Folks in my community are mostly seniors.
They've grown up with Ford, Chevy or Plymouth.
Why would they switch ?
How will Detroit get these people back ?
They will. The two mistakes that domestics made was to assume that
the way they made cars the decade before(70s cars using 60s
technologies, 80s cars using 70s tech) would satisfy consumers. The
second mistake is the way domestics are handling legacy debt(pensions,
financing of new plants, etc.). There is something Toyota and Honda
are doing that allows them to put out stylish, reliable, and fuel-
efficient cars that people crave, yet they probably have just as much
an an obligation to pay retirements as we do.
We are catching up in the areas of style/reliability - slowly but
surely. Problem is, everytime we take two steps forward in
reliability, the imports take four. It's all about the money.
It won't be easy. GM pissed me off and I went elsewhere. Better or worse,
I won't really know for a couple of more years, but had they taken care of
me as a loyal customer, I'd be driving a GM car today. Will I go back?
Hard to say, but I'm not planning to buy a new car for another three or four
years. Let's just say I'm more inclined to look at a wider scope of
automobiles today as others are offering very good packages.
Interestingly all of the reasons for this change have been known for
It is very interesting to watch how all the theories come true.
The arrogans of the leader is such that they seem to be with their
eyes wide shut.
Even if it is happening in such a slow pace that it should have been
relatively easy to change tactics.
The pace is so slow that watching the grass grow seems to be fast in
It is like watching a person standing in front of a slow moving
glacier and not moving.
It takes a long time to build up a good reputation.
Rebuilding a tarnished reputation takes longer if it is at all
I don't know how old you are but I grew up in one of those GM ONLY
households. I'm 35 and until the last 6-7 years I didn't look at
anything that wasn't GM. Now, I look at all the cars and I can't imagine
buying a GM car anymore. 180 degree shift in only 6-7 years. I don't
consider domestics as a viable buying option anymore. The staggering
depreciation of the cars is enough of a reason to avoid them alone.
A brand new G35 is expected to hold 52% of it's purchase price in 5
years. A GM is far far far below that.
How long is the lifespan of a car?
Many models of quality cars used to last decades.
Most new models do not last many years.
This may be changing again.
Why should you need to change a car every two years?
A car should be made simpler and easier to repair.
There is no need to have a car made of so bad quality and so
complicated that it is cheaper to throw it away than repair small
The Prius seems to be of a new kind of design and we only know it will
at least last a decade without problems because they only started
making it ten years ago.
When you buy a car you should get to know how much it costs to buy,
how long it will last, the resale value after 5 years, 10 years, 15
years, 20 years ...
the average yearly cost to repair, how much it costs to run.
I guess people are starting to think about this more.
Not as first line daily drivers. A decade has always been a long time for a
car to survive as a primary vehicle. Sure, many lasted 20 years, but they
were winter rats or beat up, tired, worn out cars. The same is true of cars
today. It's not hard to find 20 year old cars of any make today - no
different than it was 40 years ago.
Because people want to - not because they need to due to poor performance of
And how do you propose to achieve all of the mandated mileage levels, the
polution control, safety, etc. that the American public demands?
Correct - and there are no cars that meet that criteria today, any more than
there were 20 years ago.
And it's only been in the US for what - 6 years? During that time, it has
experienced no problems? Where do you get that information from?
Why do you care about the resale value out past five years? How in the hell
could one even predict that?
Many people have thought about all of those things all along. Indeed there
is a population that does not need to think about these things, but for
most, those considerations (or most of them) have always been a factor when
buying a car. There's nothing new or revolutionary in that.
If you can't find plenty of 1980's vintage cars around then you're not
looking at life around you.
Why would they be any different than the cheap model cars of 20 years ago?
You just keep making yourself look more and more out of touch with reality.
You really don't understand much about what people want do you? For pete's
sake - there's just about no car out there today that does not last two
years, yet people keep trading them in as people always have - because they
like to be in new cars. God man - get a grip on reality.
You are so full of it. Any car can be kept for years. There is no
association between keeping a car more than a couple of years and some
mythical better quality.
Oh - and please do - tell us precisely what trend this is. What cars are
being manufactured simpler and easier to repair?
It is a bit strange that you seem to be so full of resentment towards
anything I say.
It must be wrong even if you agree.
I found it interesting to read the other day that in Japan Toyota is
having trouble because of just what I said.
Thesales are gong down in the groups of young males who do not want to
buy the newest cars anymore in the numbers they did before.
Cars are not as much in anymore.
No - there is no resentment towards anything you say. It's more that you
are all over the map. When challenged after making a sweeping,
unsubstantiated comment, you jiggle off in another directions, bringing up
something totally and completely irrelevant to the point at hand - as if
you're using that as support for your position. That makes you a moving
target that really cannot be conversed with consistently.
But... that has nothing at all to do with this discussion. This is an
unrelated point that you introduced the other day after not supporting your
earlier unsubstantiated statements.
The point is that cars are getting more reliable and there is no need
to change them as often.
It is already having effect in Japan where they have had more reliable
cars for a long time.
All cars are more reliable so they are not a status symbol anymore.
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