I've purchased my 05 Accord LX-G 5 speed Manual 4 cyl on May 27th, 2005. It
is coming up to 4 months now, I went to the dealership to book an
appointment for it's 1st service, well the guy @ the counter recommended
that I wait until I reach close to 8000km or 1 year before I get that 1st
service done. This seems like a long time between oil changes even with the
new advanced 5W20 that Honda puts in the engines now days. I looked at the
maintenance schedule and it says for the "severe" service that every 8000km
or 4 moths, the oil, filter should be changed along with the recommended
servicing. Should I insist on having this service done or wait?
I live in Northern Ontario and sooner then later we will have our 1st winter
storm, I want to be ready for it. Besides, I am going on my annual hunting
trip which requires me to travel 500km one way.
Thank you for your advice;
Ignore the "manual" mavens and get the service done. One year/8k km is just
too long an interval unless you drive long distance trips almost
exclusively. I have a 2005 Accord EX I purchased in early May and it just
turned 4k miles. I'm changing the oil and filter done this week with the
recommended 5W-20, but I'm using Mobil 1, which I use in all of my vehicles
and have done so for over 20 years. My schedule is 4 months or 4000 miles,
whichever comes first (it's always 4 months, though). I almost always do it
myself to keep expenses reasonable, and I've not had any type of engine
component failure - ever. Cheap insurance for the engine, better mileage,
easier starts in cold weather, etc.
do you wait for tires to wear out or do you follow some gut feeling
method for their change schedule as well? fact is, if you're following
the manufacturer spec, and are using a decent oil with a decent additive
package, there's nothing to worry about. especially not for first service.
Do you wait for your engine to sludge up or do you blindly follow the
"Recommended" service intervals in your beloved manual? The fact is that a
number of well regarded automobile manufacturers have experienced engine
problems caused by the oil change interval given to their customers. You can
believe it or not - I guess it comes down to whether you can accept a truth
contrary to your opinion. Just check out the Toyota and Saab newsgroups.
With very few exceptions, I believe that every car owner should use the
extreme service recommendations as a guideline. More frequent oil changes
won't damage an engine. It will hurt your wallet a little, but as I said,
it's cheap insurance.
I change the cheap dino oil in my '01 V6 Accord every 7K to 7500 miles. I
now have 134,000 miles on it and it starts up everytime and runs smooth.
When should I expect this sludge problem to start? Keep in mind, my car
isn't a Toyota or Saab.
Mine came to roost around 210K or 220K miles on our '85 turbo Volvo. The
crankcase is probably as clean as the rocker assy I can see through the oil
filler (pretty nice, even if brown) but the grunge carried in the oil mist
that circulated through the crankcase ventilation system plugged a 3/8 inch
hose solid. I never thought about cleaning such a large hose, so it went
unnoticed until I saw a large cloud of blue smoke following me down the
freeway. At the next turnoff, about five miles later, I opened the hood to
see everything on the driver's side coated with oil spewing from the
dipstick tube. I had lost 3 quarts in 5 minutes. Tearing the ventilation
system down later, I found the air/oil separator baffle box nearly plugged.
It also weighed several ounces more than the new one because of the hardened
sludge inside it.
It was that experience that convinced me to change to synthetic in the Volvo
in spite of the risk of leaks. The top guru on the alt.autos.volvo group
reported engines running synthetic don't generate those oil mist deposits,
so I took the chance. When it didn't leak I changed my daughter's Accord to
To each their own, but I'm a confirmed synthetic user now.
For the horror stories and the photos to go with them, it's hard to beat
Look what can happen in just 8700 miles!
It is a shame to waste Mobil-1 on 4 month/4,000 mile oil change
intervals. You are discarding a lot of perfectly good motor oil way
before it's time. If you are running a top grade synthetic like that
there is no reason not to go the full 7,500 mile (V-6) or 10,000 mile
(4) intervals Honda calls for in it's current vehicles. By using such
an expensive oil you are already giving yourself a huge safety margin
over the factory recommendations. In fact, there are plenty of good
sub $2.00/quart motor oils on the market now which are completely up to
Oils, fuels and engines are all light-years better today than they were
20 years ago.
The oils and engines are light years ahead but the people in this country
are to entwined in the past to understand that. If 3000 miles was good for
my great grandpa then I should change it every week......
Waste of good oil? Hardly. If you want to run oil - even Mobil 1 - for
10,000 miles in your engine, be my guest. Some day in the future, the
dealership will welcome you with open arms. The demands of driving in most
areas today, e.g., frequent starts, stop and go driving, combined with the
higher level of design, machine tolerances and assembly of modern engines,
require a much higher quality level for lubricants. You are correct that
current dino-based oils are much better today than 20 years ago, but the
demands placed upon them have significantly increased also. If you think
that a sub $2.00 per quart oil is the best option for YOUR engine, it's your
eh? so next time you fly, is it going to be ok with you if the pilot
doesn't bother to calculate the fuel load against the destination
distance? how about the inspection crew only bothering to look for
fatigue cracks when they "felt" it was time? alternatively, imagine
you're the fleet manager for a large haulage company. how are you going
to formulate your maintenance schedules? will your customers mind if
you charge them extra because you "feel" you need to spend 3 times as
much on lubes as your competitors?
bottom line, there's some method to this madness. disregard is both
expensive and stupid.
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