I know I'm replying to an old post but that said, I have to disagree (with or without your inside info). From what I read, it's still ok but it's not advancing like some other car makers are. In my opinion, Honda is just putting out the same product that looks slightly different each year. Maybe they feel if it works, don't change it. I can live with that but I think I'm in the minority.
From what you've *read*?
Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time Honda engineer?
it's a slow day - go ahead and lay it on us one more time...
Well 1 year and 31,000 miles later and she's holding up fine and trouble free. Only "complaint" is I think the sensor for the auto headlights is a little sensitive.
I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside sources (I don't remember now).
"Doug" wrote
For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now.
in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and mercedes. go figure.
my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe not as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i refuse to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated, they've completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer loyalty".
Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car. Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks.
You hit it on the nail with my first Honda.... trans was slipping and to repair it was $1500 + so I didn't want to spend that on a 15 year old car so I got another Honda. I like the information you posted. Thanks.
Am curious-- what technology is outdated?
"Doug" wrote
I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about
30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord gets run over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision on a replacement.
their transmissions. their engine management. their interiors. their engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and their suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw in their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota [toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku.
I got a 2007 Prius, new, and overall have no complaints.
Yes, a strut broke at about 60K miles, and replacing the two of them up front is a $1000 repair. Goddam. It probably shouldn't have happened, but I don't know what happened--was it a weak piece, or did my wife hit something?
If it was a weak piece, was it a known weak piece or was it an anomaly?
I compare this to the $4500 known bad transmission that Honda foisted on me...which apparently is representative of how Honda is doing business today, which started about 15 years back with some management changes that turned out to be a bad idea. The Honda of old at the top is gone, replaced by something that very much resembles the old GM.
Read the Bob Lutz book, "Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters" to read some important bits of the GM inside story. Then you'll have a grasp as to what Honda corporate has morphed into.
Go back a couple months and find the Car and Driver review of the Camry.
Toyota clearly stepped it up a notch with the goal of making a car that's an obvious choice over the competition in that segment.
The Honda 4 cylinder drivetrains are probably still pretty good, but you mention the brakes--let me tell you, that has turned into a Honda weak spot the last several years.
My God, every 2010 car sold in America can do that. No surprise there.
But that's not what we're talking about.
Well it's all I have to on so far as I got rid of my 2001 at 266,xxx miles.
So I guess the wheels and the paint are still OK...
bummer. honda brakes used to be excellent.
Heh... And I drive an '82 Civic automatic every day...
JT
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