I loved my 1991 Accord but had to abandon it when I just moved to
Florida. I tried to sell it but ran out of time and donated it to a
But I know a lot of folks here think that current Honda's aren't made
that well anymore. I'm thinking of spending around 15k for a few year
old model - Civic or maybe a Fit. Maybe a new Fit? They're small but
supposedly fun to drive.
Or a Hundai or Kia? Or maybe a Ford? I don't need an SUV. Whatever I
buy will need to be able to have a longboard on top of the car once in
a while. That makes it tough for a Fit because of that antenna in the
middle of the top. I'll have to see if there's any way a board can,
well, Fit there.
That's the only real requirement. It needs to hold four or five adults
but mostly it will just need to hold me.
Used is like buying a Lotto.
Hondas, and Toyotas last. Should get 200,000 out of them.
New American stuff is not bad, but older small cars are trash. Luck to
get 100,000 out of them.
15K is a good amount. Ever consider leasing?
My bet, is Honda CRV.
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A colleague of mine has a Kia, and his wife has a Honda. Both bought a
couple years ago. He says, the Kia has a longer warranty, but we both
know who has the better car.
Buy a used Acura. They're what Honda used to sell, while Honda has gone
downmarket to compete with Kia.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:45:15 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
I think he was saying that the warranty on the Kia doesn't matter
because it isn't going to transfer to me anyway. But you're right,
it's the better car that matters, particularly if the warranty is
I will look at a used Acura. But I've noticed that premium brands
require premium prices for the parts.
nah. Some DEALERS may charge premium prices for the parts; but since
they're the same parts as an Accord or Civic or Pilot, Acura parts are
extremely easy to come by--especially in the aftermarket or online.
It's not like Mercedes or BMW, for example.
Sort of. However, since I don't own a Fit, I can't give
a personal recommendation. All I can say is that it would
have been near the top of my choices if I was not so hooked
on hybrids. I settled on a Prius C back in Feb when my
13 year of Civic hybrid died.
I had an 03 Civic Hybrid with manual transmission. Loved the car, even
put a new big battery in it at 107K miles. Sold it recently. I also
have an 07 Prius since new; love it.
That all being said, I also recently acquired a significantly different
car: Acura ILX 2.4--which is Acura's version of the Civic Si, manual
transmission and all.
I love finally having some power available to me on demand. But what
strikes me is where technology has put us today. If I drive the ILX
like I drive my Prius--which is very easy to do, it has plenty of torque
available so I can shift early and keep it in 6th gear even around
town--then it gets great gas mileage.
Even around town, with mixed easy and spirited driving, it's no less
than 27mpg. And on the highway, driving level and 65mph, it gets 40mpg.
Even driving it spiritedly on the highway, it goes down no lower than 36.
I can only imagine what a pedestrian 1.5-2.0 liter gas engine tuned for
efficiency can give, something like what's in a modern Civic or Corolla
My point is, as much as I loved my hybrids for all the right reasons at
the time, technology is catching up. The argument for a hybrid is
harder now that gasoline tech is moving forward very fast. The problem
is the hybrid's battery. It costs money to put in there, and for those
who keep cars a long time it's a significant replacement cost that's
inevitable. And let's face it, the true economy comes in keeping the
car and not trading it in every few years.
When cars were getting 20-24mpg (not too long ago, back when they were
busy building heavy safety features into cars and not paying as much
attention to fuel efficiency), 45-50 was--in my mind--a great reason to
get a hybrid (although my Prius is now down to 40-45). Now that cars
are getting 30-40mpg, the hybrid is losing its luster. Even the 2016
Prius, which Toyota is very weirdly holding very close to its chest, is
rumored to move from the previous 50 up to only 55mpg on paper--and I
know the reality of it, having had my Prius for 8+ years now, the
reality that says real world mileage will in fact be lower.
If you can get a midsize gas car up to 40mpg today, then 50mpg with the
battery just stops being as amazing and attractive as it once was.
And just like safety technology, efficiency technology means that those
who are inclined to move up in cars even every 8 years are probably
better off doing it every 4 years or so--they'll gain huge amounts of
efficiency by doing so. And with gas engine tech moving ahead much
faster than hybrid tech, gas engine is a much cheaper way to gain that
I know Toyota is feeling the effects of all of this.
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 07:05:21 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
I looked at some used Civics the other day. The Acuras are pretty much
ouside my <20k budget. Civics a few years old, certified, were 16k to
18k. But a new one is only a few thousand more. Not really that much
of a savings for the used ones.
Odometer varied from 7k to 30k, so that's a big difference. I'm really
not sure what to do about new/used.
Gas mileage isn't very important to me since I'm pretty much retired
and certainly won't be driving daily for work. So if I even manage to
drive 8k/year that certainly would take a decade to make a hybrid pay
How much bargining room is there with a certified Civic?
My 2013 ILX 2.4 Premium with 28K miles was $17,900 at auction. My
broker charged $950 for his services.
You do the math.
Find a broker who charges a flat fee for acquiring the car you specify
at the price you specify. Then let him go to work.
He found my car and sent me a five line email as a sales order, adding
it all up to a simple bottom line. No BS, no dealer overhead, no "are
you sure you don't want the TruCoat?" crap.
That's traditionally how it works with mainstream family cars. You buy
Japanese new for exactly the reasons you outline, and you buy American
cars 2 years used because they take a big hit in depreciation.
My Acura, though, being a "premium" brand, also took a big hit in
If you can't find a 2-3 year old ILX for cheap, you're not trying. It's
nothing more than the Civic with the Acura logo and a finer suit of
clothes, not to mention the longer factory warranty--which is another
reason to look for something like that.
The Civic Si also has a limited-slip differential, which isn't available
on the ILX, as well as thicker anti-roll bars and stickier tires.
OTOH, most ILX buyers aren't likely to be autocrossing their cars, in
which case the absence of the Si bits is arguably not too significant.
But you won't have a big-ass rear spoiler then! ;-)
The bit about the diff got my attention, as on my 99 Si the helical LSD
from the Integra Type R is a direct bolt-in, and those who have done it
swear that it results in a huge improvement in handling. I've been
tempted to try it, but as my car is very well-preserved and there are so
few left out there that are unmodified, I hate to start making changes
from stock. If I still have the car when it comes time to rebuild the
engine, I may reconsider the upgrade then.
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