> GUEST wrote:
> Several Months ago, there was some discussion about
> for the Sonata. I had purchased a Fram PH9999. I
> it - the filter, O rings, and took similar pictures
of the genuine
> filter. Matt Whiting had the following to say: "The
are very nice.
> In the pictures, it appears that both the filter
media and the
> (I think they are o-rings anyway) are a
different color from the
> filter. This may be inconsequential or it
may mean that these
> materially (pun intended!) different from
the Hyundai filter. I'd
> know if this was my engine."
Matt hit the nail on the head. Around the end of August, I
did an oil
change, and installed the Fram filter in my 2006 Sonata. All was
I noticed the oil stain on my driveway yesterday. (My wife drives
This morning, I looked under the hood, and found oil had been
between the cap and the filter housing. I tried to give it a turn,
it tight. I started the engine, and the entire filter housing was
immediately covered in oil. I took the filter cap off, hoping that
> It wasn't. The O ring for the cap was flat. It actually had
> changed the oil in the car like 6 times now, and the Hyundai
> still round and soft (flexible) when replaced. The Fram O ring
> now flat on the outside, and was really hard. I have pictures of
> O ring I replaced it with up against the Fram O ring I removed.
> currently dead, so I anyone's got either a way to host them, or
> as to how I can link to them, let me know (my email address is
> I'll either email them to you, or follow whatever instructions
> can see.
> I think a contributing factor was the cold
weather we had the past
> days - pretty close to 30. I would have noticed
the oil on the
> the way the oil flowed out, it would have made
a really big puddle,
> the oil level down in the car. I suspect that
as soon as the oil
> quits leaking.
> I figure there's no point
in trying to contact Fram about this - I
> picture how their customer
service would react -
Wow! We have covered several areas. I have a
MBA and Masters in Systems Engineering degrees. Have over 30 years
experience in product design and now work for a major airplane
company (many billions) as an Avionics Engineer.
To evaluate an oil filter,
one would need to know the specifications
of the product including the
tolorances of the parts, the material
trace, the characteristics of the paper
used in the filter, the
quality control system, etc. We do not have access to
that kind of
info so just have to go by hearsay and experience.
I have found a
couple of websites that have evaluated oil filters but
just take those inputs
with a grain of salt. Also, I wonder about
the value of the filter with the
high detergent oils we have today.
Medical question: I have an HMO and have
had a couple of major
surguries over the years. One should be educated and well
before listening to any doctor. I investigate the ones I use very
thoroughly before using them. Money is not the determining factor
results are indicative of their quality.
When judging the quality of almost
anything we purchase or use today
we are limited by time to do research and lack
According to my training, a product should meet the
requirements but not be overdesigned to the point of waste. I'm sure
this is the attitude of Hyundai.