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Apr 06, 2006 69 Replies

When I lived in Western Washington, many families put up signs, "This family supported by timber dollars". They were distinctive yellow, all the same size and design. I think they were trying to make some kind of anti-regulatory, anti-tree-hugger point. I wanted to put one up that said "This family supported by Microsoft dollars", but I never got up the nerve.

The world does not owe anyone a living. If, like Bill, I prefer to buy from companies that trade their stock on American stock exchanges, well then that is my business. If I want to hang out at WalMart and subsidize the Chinese, well then that is my business too.

Earle

Three...the Stevensons, the Johnsons and Sallie Mae Girdleunder....but they don't count 'cause they cheat on their taxes...and besides, they all drive KIAs.

tw _____________________________________________________________________

2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 > And how more American families are staring to death, because we

With the profits going to Japan.

You mean like Jeep's profits go to Germany?

tw _____________________________________________________________________

2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. _____________________________________________________________________

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

Ah, and there was no back stabbing from the Germans in WWII? Quite the gentlemen, they were...What we have here, fellers, is a nice juicy rationalization session. Well, I'm proud to own an American built Titan, American built Jeep and a German built Porsche. ;)

tw _____________________________________________________________________

2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. _____________________________________________________________________

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III wrote:

Both the Japanese and the Germans fought brilliantly in WWII. They were defeated as much by lack of natural resources, as by anything we did. If you want to honor the American troops who fought in WWII, you have to honor their opponents, as being a worthy enemy. (This is not to defend in any way the genocide that went on behind the lines, or even the mistreatment of ethnic Germans and Japanese that took place on our own soil.)

Your German Porsche was probably assembled by Turks or Russians, anyway.

Earle

Earle Horton proclaimed:

With a significant drop in Porsche quality when they moved away from having them assembled by Turks.

Lets see, should I buy a nice made in america honda, or buy a german jeep with a mexican engine?

---snippy---

My Honda is 100% Canadian made. ;^)

Earle

Earle Horton proclaimed:

? What plant? Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.

America, where any AWOL alchoholic cocaine addict can grow up to be president.

As far as I know the Democrats have never supplied any data to support the AWOL allegations other than the stuff they knew was forged before they aired it.

Right, let's go back to the big time 'ex-military' guys who don't inhale. It was MUCH better back then. Cigar anyone? WAFJ.

tw _____________________________________________________________________

2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 > Haven't really paid much attention other than to Marysville.

Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for ROTC and then ran away from his commitment and while overseas protested against the US.

He is, in my opinion, even worse than the dope smoking hippie cowards who ran away to Canada.

But that is just my opinion....

Yes, I was being facitious in response to the "AWOL" comment.

tw _____________________________________________________________________

2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 > Clinton wasn't an 'ex-military" guy. He was a coward who applied for ROTC

As far as I know the democrats had nothing to do with Bush not showing up for a physical and duty as a member of the air national guard. The official story is excused to work on a political campaign for someone not in the state of texas... The democrats just let loose a phony letter concerning the incident.

billy ray proclaimed:

Actually Clinton got a perfectly legal deferral and was not a sworn member of the armed services at any point to have any commitment to run away from. Not exactly what I would call up and up, but not that uncommon for someone with a scholarship to a prestigious educational institution. As for protesting against the US, your history is as flawed as your other facts... there is and was a clear difference between protesting against a war and protesting against the US itself. e.g. Jane Fonda as compared to a few presidential candidates of the time.

Unlike the other guy who did swear an oath as a member of the armed services and then used political connections to avoid actually serving more than nominal part time duty. With pretty strong rumors amongst military folks that part of this was to avoid the consequences of a urine test. Can't confirm the rumors...nor frankly care.

billy ray proclaimed:

In 1968 Bill Clinton was classified as 1-A on March 20. He was ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969. He didn't show. He then was re-classified as 1-D after enlisting in the Army Reserves on August 7, 1969 and takes the oath of enlistment. He failed to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC in September 1969. He was in England. On October 15, 1969 he organized and led an Anti-War demonstration in London. to England - where an induction notice was mailed to him. After that, the record gets murky. On October 30, 1969 Bill Clinton was reclassified by his Draft Board as 1-A. On November 15, 1969 Bill Clinton organized and led another anti-war demonstration in London.

On December 3, 1969 Bill Clinton wrote to Lt. Colonel Holmes, who headed the University of Arkansas ROTC at the time, to explain why he had not shown up as ordered by had gone to England instate. That letter, which was placed in the Congressional Record on July 30, 1993 by Rep. Dornan of California, states in Clinton's own words: "When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against."

He applied for the 'legal' deferral with fraudulent intent as evidenced by his own letter to his ROTC commander.

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Lt. Bush requested and received a transfer from the Texas Air National Guard to the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Alabama so he could work, off duty, on the Senate campaign of 'Red" Blount.

Despite the lies and forgeries disseminated by the Demoncrats and their liberal commie media lackeys no evidence of his being AWOL have been demonstrated, and testimony of fellow unit members, supported by medical and dental examination records as well as pay records have been ignored. But them I assume you will attribute this all to some vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that the only evidence is that he was not AWOL.

On the other hand it is well documented in public records and the letter written by mr clinton himself, referenced above, clearly demonstrates his character and general lack of honor.

I can only surmise that mr clinton assumed that his confessional letter would have been lost over the years.

Perhaps it is best to allow an old friend of mr clinton to describe his character.Cliff Jackson,an Arkansas attorney was a friend and classmate of bill clinton at Oxford in the late 1960s.Although he professes no personal rancor toward mr clinton, Jackson is a vocal critic of what he describes as mr. clinton's "casual willingness to deceive, to exploit, and to manipulate in order to attain personal and political power."

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