True-Track LSD in D30 (TJ) front axle?

Idiot.

On 24 Nov 2003 10:46 AM, Joe posted the following:

On 24 Nov 2003 10:50 AM, L.W.(?ill) Hughes III posted the following:

You really do have no clue about how a tru-trac is built. They don't have clutches to wear out like older LSD designs did; if one was worn bad enough not to function the first clue would most likely be the grinding noises coming from the front end...

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On 24 Nov 2003 06:51 AM, L.W.(?ill) Hughes III posted the following:

I was referring to the material in the links you posted. A whole load of bullshit, in my opinion. I got a chuckle out of the fact that you posted some lawyer's site as an authoritative source. They are trying to make a buck off the manufacturers by suing them, of course they are going to claim there are problems.

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Even a Detroit Locker won't be a problem in a D30. I run a Detroit in the D30 on my CJ, and I can't remember the last time the hubs were not locked. Basically, I have been driving my CJ in the exact conditions that will be encountered in a TJ, and I have a locker and have never had any steering related issues. It does get a little noisy when I pull into a parking spot, but it steers just fine.

On 24 Nov 2003 10:33 AM, Matt Macchiarolo posted the following:

Lol. You know, I like the older Jeeps and actually own a pre-AMC CJ-5. I wouldn't have any problem at all with Bill except that he insists on trashing the new stuff. It would really easy to come back by arguing that the older stuff is crap, even though it isn't. I will say that I think Rube Goldberg was on the engineering staff for Bantam/Willys/ Kaiser/whoever designed my 1970 CJ's steering system. The newer rigs have their own set of issues but at least most of the old ones have been eliminated.

Bottom line, if you don't think ABS offroad is a good idea, pull the stinkin' fuse, or disable it in some other manner on YOUR rig. ABS is a benefit on the road in winter conditions, period. Assuming the operator doesn's screw it up by second guessing the system. If a person gets in a wreck as a result of letting up on the pedal when ABS kicks in, of course they are going to blame the system. Couldn't be operator error, no way *grin*.

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We are talking about the front axle while in 2WD.

Bill,

Your preoccupati> A Detroit Locker will always completely release the wheel that's

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I hate to respond to any of Bill's posts that continue to increase in their level of ignorance on anything not specifically CJ-related but I must here... the Truetrac operates just like an open carrier does until there is sufficient rpm differential between the two wheels to engage its LSD properties. It is not pre-loaded like a clutch-based LSD is, which includes the Tracloc, so it does not in any way, shape, or form resemble a Tracloc or spool in its operation. A Tracloc has difficulties on slick surfaces like icy roads, as do most automatic lockers... but Truetracs do not. My tongue is so sore from biting it on 90% of his posts I can barely stand it but ....

Jerry

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On 24 Nov 2003 12:54 PM, L.W.(?ill) Hughes III posted the following:

I bet that guy's problem has more to do with the locker in the rear than the truetrac in the front. I an running a truetrac in the front of my Jeep, and my brother has them in both axles of his Jeep; neither of us have that kind of problem. With the factory tracklock (clutch type) LSD in the back I can make the rear break loose and drift sideways in the snow if I try hard enough, but for normal driving even in the snow it isn't an issue.

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You'd be wrong, just like you were about the "center point steering" on a TJ...

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It is irrelevent. The front axle in 2wd really doesn't give a rat's ass if it is open, locked, or has a limited slip.

My CJ has had the hubs locked for going on 5 years. I seriously can't remember the last time the hubs were not locked. I have no steering problems whatsoever. My locked hubs are the exact same condition as in the current TJs, which is what the original poster was asking about (check out the subject line).

So, no I don't mean with the hubs unlocked. In 2WD, the front axle doesn't care if it is locked, open, or has limited slip, no matter the condition of the hubs - either locked or unlocked (which isn't even an option in a TJ).

Any other questions or thoughts on the matter?