does anyone know where cheapest place to obtain the 300tdi STC4095K timing
gear/cover/idler kit is.
via mail order preferably .
ive just changed my timing belt and the engine doesnt have the modified idler
or crank gear .
noticed 6mm all along edge of removed belt had worn away and so want to put it
had thoughts of going for ZEUS timing gears but after reading info on an
australian website i dont think i will bother , seems the zeus gears are prone
to failure , perhaps lack of oiling i guess ?.
does anyone use the zeus gear kit , are they ok or not , or is it better to
stick with timing belt and use modification kit as per tech bulletin .
On 15 Nov 2003 21:48:21 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (M0bcg) wrote:
Although I don't have personal experience of the Zeus gears I have
driven a Discovery with them fitted. Aside from some increased clatter
when the engine was idling - which went away once moving - there
wasn't anything noticeable about them.
IIRC they're made from nylon (or some such plastic) and don't
therefore need lubrication, but I could be wrong. I do seem to recall
reports of failures a few years ago, but haven't heard of anything
like that recently.
it is interesting to read your opinion of the Zeus gears
after reading one website. I know the website you refer to and can
only say that all is not exactly as it appears.
There are many happy users of the gears, myself included, and after
75000km without a problem, as compared with 103000km on 4 x timing
belts, I think I am in a good position to comment.
We have many users with high km, and longest we know about is 250,000
miles, which is 400,000 km. The kit was checked while the engine was
being reconditioned (piston with hole in it) and put back into the
You may like to see some of the other benefits that come from the
gears as far as performance and economy go ( www.yican.com.au)
I see also that one reader has suggested the gears are made of nylon
or similar-quire wrong. All gears are steel with nitrite hardened
Yes I do have a commecial interest in the gears, but this only came
about because of my experience with the timing belt, and then a
detailed examination of the Zeus gears prior to becoming the
Australian distributor. Later I became even more involved taking a
role within Zeus UK as GM. Biased yes, but hopefully on an informed
Yes there have been failures, and where ever possible we have sought
to examine the product/engine/circumstances etc to try and identify
causal factors. In many cases we have identified incorrect fitting
as a problem, with the fitting of the cam gear being a common issue.
We have also seen a problem with the small idler gear, which has come
about around the same time we started to hear about variations in the
diesel fuel and the reduction of the sulphor level. As part of an
ongoing R&D programme a modified small idler gear was made, and we are
in the process of advising existing customers of this fact.
If you would like to discuss any issues relating to the Zeus gears
please feel free to give me a call, or send me an email.
On 15 Nov 2003 21:48:21 GMT, email@example.com (M0bcg) wrote:
This subject came up before on this newsgroup but the person
selling the Zeus gears ignored questions posted publicly. Maybe
it would be a good idea to post discussions here? At the moment,
I have an open mind (as I think do others) -- but if all
discussions are to be behind closed doors, that might change!
BTW, I recently bought a '98 300 Tdi from MacRae & Dick of
Inverness with about 70,000 miles. It was clearly a trade in and
I bought it without warranty. A bit of detective work soon
revealed that it had been serviced by a non-authorised garage
and the mechanic had never heard of the timing belt problem so
no modification kit had been fitted when the belt was changed
about 6,000 miles ago. He did say the belt was fine though.
MacRae & Dick agreed to supply the kit "at cost". The invoice
for Kit 2, including VAT, came to £70.79 and the oil seal was
a further £19.07. I do know the discount was only 10% off the
retail on the latter. It would be interesting to hear some
prices from other sources.
I just had RCV of Doncaster do my '97 300 Tdi 60,000 service. We bought it
in early sept at 55400 on clock, with FSH and wanted to keep this going ..
They noted that the modified parts hadn't been fitted and did so. The bill
came to £413 altogether, and the parts for the modified timing belt pulley
etc came to between £65 and £85 - the invoice is a little unclear, so I
reckon £70 is about right .. ;)
They said that, as with your case, the belt was fine and would possibly have
been OK. However, I prefer to be more sure and requested they do it anyway.
Further to this, I'd like to add a note of thanks to RCV, they did a good
job and we'll certainly use them again. Nice to report good service, with a
smile, and obvious enthusiasm for Landrovers.
the only reason I suggested he give me a call or send an
email, was that as we are both in Australia, and given timezones etc,
it is simply a matter of convenience. Besides even if we do speak by
phone there is nothing stopping him from posting comments after the
I am on the public record as being a strong advocate for the Zeus
gears. I also believe that some of the material published as "facts"
are upon closer examination, derivatives based upon 2nd or 3rd hand
data, that is then presented as if it were facts. Such material only
serves to confuse anyone from making informed choices as part of their
I'm not sure what question you are referring to, when you say that a
question was ignored. Please let me know what it was and I will look
into the matter.
As I've posted, I got the modification kit which I have yet to
install. As far as I can remember, the question of the price of
the Zeus gears came up and the guy who was pushing them promptly
disappeared! The world is such a small place these days that
international borders don't mean a lot and it would be nice to
know what things cost, even if they are somewhere else! Hey,
maybe someone here will import some from Aus?<G>
one of the problems facing manufacturers is the shrinking and
disappearing borders, when it comes to the issue of pricing and
international pricing policies. With the internet people are able to
purchase "across borders" more easily and this presents a number of
problems. These include issues of warranty and also looking after and
protecting the local distributor network system.
As a matter of policy I don't quote prices in an open forum, to avoid
issues relating to the above issues. If someone living in the UK want
a UK price then they are best to contact the local company, and
someone in Australia the local Australian company.
I can assure you that there is no benefit in importing these kits from
Australia, as they would be more expensive, and I would not entertain
the idea as it is against everything I believe in as far as
international marketing and such matters relating to policy.
Hopefully you will find this explanation makes sense if not, please
let me know.
On 16 Nov 2003 17:17:24 GMT, Derry Argue
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:43:45 +1100, Phillip Simpson
As a potential Zeus customer I have to say that failure to clearly
quote prices is a big turn off to me. Your UK people have now
provided me with a quote for the bits I need (nowt to do with timing
chains BTW) but it would have been much easier and transparent had I
been able to get them from the website. Your competition are just as
I'm a natural cynic and suspect that this has more to do with wanting
to quote as much as the seller can get away with for the customer you
are talking to than vague, unspecified issues of cross-border trade.
These 'issues' are easily dealt with - quote a sterling price on a UK
website, $AUS on a com.au website and refuse to export to territories
where you have a local presence. Illegal in the EU of course, but no
issue for Australia.
My company doesn't quote prices either, but that is because we often
deal with quantities of 1 and often with quantities of 100. Our buy
price changes dramatically in those circumstances. I don't see that
this applies to Zeus.
I think this is why Paddock's get such good volumes - you can see a
picture, see the price and order it in the middle of the night. I
understand you sell more specialist stuff, so need customer contact to
make sure people don't try and fit your conversion kit to a Ford
Fiesta, but that can all be done in an 'e-trade' environment without
full online ordering.
'58 Series 2
'77 101FC Ambulance
'95 Discovery V8i
interesting to read your feedback on this issue.
Like your own company we have our policies, and as a custom based OEM
manufacturer we do sell volume based products.
Sorry that you find not publishing prices a turn off. But this is
something we'll just have to cope with. As a manufacturer, Zeus is in
a different position to someone like Paddocks, and as such present to
the market in a different way. Would you purchase your 101 disc brake
kit simply off a commercial webpage, or because of the special nature
of the product and its cost speak to the company involved?
When you spoke to the Zeus office, did you get some other benefit(s)
from taking to the manufacturer, or did you just get a price?
Perhaps to ask the question another way, what price break would
purchase over the internet in an eshop? 50 pounds, 200 pounds, 500
It may interest you to note that for single item purchases Zeus use a
standard internal price list, and not as you suggest a moving upward
target. If you had asked the price of say the stainless steel pistons
at Billing 2002, and then Billing 2003, you would have found the price
to have been the same. Apart from a show "special" price for qty the
price quoted would have been the same as if you rang the office and
asked for a price.
While I expect the best we can do is to disagree on this issue, I
would however add one more point, and I think it is one that applies
to forums in general. All participants need to know if the person
responding to a question has a commercial interest, which is why I try
and always identify my own position on this matter. Secondly, I think
that it is a good idea to address technical issues in an open and
frank manner, even when it is from a commercial based source. Issues
relating to pricing and costs, crosses over into an area of selling
that is outside the purpose of forums. Otherwise they simply
degenerate into disguised advertisements and the associated haggle and
bussle of a market place, and become swamped with such issues. By
simply keeping to technical or such related matters, the forums etc
continue to be a good resource for people seeking answers to
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:42:39 +0000, Tim Hobbs
It may well be you won't screw us, but usual bitter experience has shown
us that whenever we look at the foreign prices for things, the UK cost
is well over the odds: It is typical to find for example US dollar
prices DOUBLED for the UK market. At which point suppliers bleat about
import duty, shipping etc, but the reality is that the 100% markup is
Totally agree though being of a timid disposition was hesitant
to say so. Off topic but what particularly annoys me is the
difference in prices for Honda quad parts between the USA and
here. The UK Honda dealers were trying to tell me major UK parts
are all made to metric dimensions whereas the US parts are in
imperial. Yeah, right! As if Honda (all made in the USA) has two
factories, side by side, one producing Imperial parts (at half
price), the other all metric!!
I'm in full agreement with this line of thought, and it is
something I have always found frustrating in various o'seas markets
when reviewing pricing. The only thing you should factor in is the
effect of volume, as generally most things in the States are cheaper
in most market sectors because of their purchasing volumes-just look
at computers and other electronic bits and pieces.
In the case of the Zeus products, these are UK manufactured, and
priced in UK pounds, based upon UK cost structures.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:06:24 +0000, Steve
Also fair comment, but believe it or not UK products can sometimes be
cheaper bought IN THE USA AND RE-IMPORTED.
As Adam Smith put it
"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and
diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public,
or in some contrivance to raise prices."
well I doubt if you can do this with the Zeus products, as the
distribution policy is strict as to which markets distributors can
sell to. In the case of the larger kit type products, eg timing gears
etc , this is simple to monitor as each has a unique serial number.
What you refer to is not just for some consumables or spare parts, as
if I remember correctly it is cheaper to buy a new LR in Holland than
the UK (?)
Still each company has to determine their own policies with respect to
domestic and export pricing, and from there stick to such policy.
Don't know Adam Smith, but given that we manufacture and design our
own unique products, quotation is not applicable, if I may be so bold
as to suggest.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:21:19 +0000, Steve
thanks for info .
have mailed some companies ref : prices .
will wait till i receive some replies as to availability .
one tip though for anyone changing theyre own timing belt , watch you dont lose
the o rings from the engine oil cooler pipes , they have tendency to be missed
and only stay in the radiator holes because the oil helps them stick around !!.
for a decent 2.5td/200tdi/300tdi crank pulley puller and timing/pump pin
locking kit go to www.difflock.com for a cheap comprehensive kit @ £89+vat .
i bought one last week, glad i did !!.
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