OT: VAT on imports

I bet someone here knows the answer to this.

Now we're all a big happy European family... If I import something from Germany, what if any VAT gets paid?

Do I pay the German VAT (16%), or do they charge me ex-vat and I pay UK VAT? I'm not registered, so it's not a question of whether or not I can claim it. However, I've no great desire to pay German (or any) VAT if I don't have to.

Some of the things I sell I can get cheaper, retail, from a supplier in Germany than I can get trade from the supplier in this country, and I'm fed up with it. It does nothing to improve sales, either. For example, an item which I have to pay 100 quid or so plus vat from my UK supplier I can get for about 146 euro (the equivalent of 96 quid) *including* VAT. and it's about 10 euros to post it, or some such amount. 's no wonder people are emigrating.

If I get this thing from Germany instead, I can either make more mark-up on it or offer it at a better price than the UK RRP. Both are, IMHO, good things.

What I've not established is whether the UK importer is ripping us off or whether they#re being ripped off in their turn. The items are made in Germany, but sell for similar money in the US as they do in Germany, so it's not a shipping issue.

Reply to
Austin Shackles
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It's a minefield & it all depends on what you are importing? Toys are VAT free etc, so are 'gifts'

Minefield!

Reply to
Nige

free etc, so are 'gifts'

I thought if you bought something here for export immediately then you didn't pay v.a.t, if so then you probably wouldn't pay it in Germany, just import/vat when you brought it in. BICBVW

Martin

Reply to
Oily

Imports mate, keep up at the back!!!

Reply to
Nige

No, he's quite right, it works both ways.

When you buy something in the EC, a Disco in my case, which you wish to import to this country, the purchase does not include tax in that country, but the VAT man will certainly expect his full whack as soon as you import it. You have to way up the purchase cost plus transport cost plus VAT. I saved about £6000 but the difference isn't as much now.

Bill

Reply to
bill

Never mind the rivets, get on with that sig change! ;-)

Martin

Reply to
Oily

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:42:13 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote (in article ):

If you are not registered for VAT and the vendor is based in the EU, you pay the VAT on the purchase at the prevailing rate in the vendor's country.

If you are registered for VAT and the bought item is a business supply on which you would reclaim the VAT in the UK, you should be able to give the vendor your VAT number and they will sell you the product at the pre-VAT price. If they don't, you can claim back the VAT at the rate at which you have been charged it through your normal UK VAT return. Since about three years ago, you have to fill in an extra form every time you do a return which gives details of transactions done with companies in other EU countries and (in theory at least) the money eventually ends up going back to the country in which the vendor is located.

However, the VAT rules on cars and vans are significantly more complex than for most other products. You cannot reclaim the VAT on the purchase price of a vehicle unless it is used wholly and exclusively in the course of a business - if there is any personal use of the vehicle at all then the VAT cannot be reclaimed even if you are VAT registered. Running costs, repairs etc. are either treated in the same way as normal purchases and then you pay the monthly 'scale charge' or you can apportion them according to the personal business milage you do, but be prepared to show credible records of your milage if you do this.

It's a PIA!

Nick.

Reply to
Nick Williams

I'm no VAT expert but it's my understanding that you will pay the German rate, though frankly the 1.5% difference is not going to make you rich. What you can't legally do is avoid both German and UK VAT.

Greg

Reply to
Greg

On or around Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:02:05 +0000, Nick Williams enlightened us thusly:

See? AFL, along with the shedde, is the fount of all knowledge.

OK, ta. That answers the main question

[cars]

sounds it.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

On or around Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:45:36 -0000, "Greg" enlightened us thusly:

bummer...

actually, I've no desire to tangle with HMC&E, they make the Spanish Inquisition look like a nun's picnic. The only thing I wanted to avoid was paying 2 lots of VAT.

The things I'm after are neither toys, cars nor gifts, and as such it looks like I just pay the German VAT on them and end of story, and since I'm not registered I don't have to arse around trying to claim it back.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

Austin Shackles uttered summat worrerz funny about:

Saussages ?

;-)

Let me help you out, I know some German, ahem....

"Varee ar zee papers" and "Vot is ure name"

Might come in useful you never know, if they dont work immediately shouting them louder seems to be the norm :-)

Lee D

Reply to
Lee_D

|| Let me help you out, I know some German, ahem.... || || "Varee ar zee papers" and "Vot is ure name"

Anyone recognise:

"Sign ze peppers, Olt Man!" Cigarette noise. Ah, you vill not sign ze peppers? Zen try zis!" Pssssssssssssssssst. "He stuck it in his eye man."

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Richard Brookman

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