stage 1 diffs

Jun 07, 2005 8 Replies

I am now the proud owner of a STAGE 1 SAFARI ( I think that's what it is, it says 109 on the log book but has a defender like front, can anyone clear this up for me ??) :-)))))))) , it has had a good bit of work done to the running gear but the body is a bit duff , so lots of work to do on it . the previous owner has replaced the v8 with a Perkins 3.3 diesel and change the gear box to a range rover 4 speed manual , it has the original axles and diffs in and feels like it could do with another gear when it blating along the motorway at 65 . as I have a set of rangy diffs I was wondering if 1 would they fit ? 2 if they did would this improve the top end ? or should I replace both axles with range rover ones . next question is has anyone fitted a power steering setup from a range rover to one of these ????



Thanks in advance fro your replies Paul



If it is a "stage 1" it SHOULD already have the same dif ratios as a rangerover all tucked away in a Salisbury axel, and the 4 speed rangie box was I believe standard fitting on the stage one.

Range rover axels won't fit without a LOT of work as the rangie is on coils and the stage one is on leafs ( leaves ? )

Perkins 3.3l ( 4203 I assume) is a powerful engine tho rather agricultural and revs out at about 2500 rpm i had one in a series 3 and it only ever managed 55mph with standard gearing so 65 with rangie dif ratios sounds about right

There was a thead on power steering a few days ago , that one should answer that question

..............................Smurf

That's correct - except the grille should be a mesh type (very rare S/H)

That's as it should be - the Stage 1 had permanent 4WD.

It already has a Range Rover diff on the front, and a "Defender" (Sailsbury) at the back.

Not in the rear, being a Sailsbury axle.

The ratios are the same.

It's not a straighforward operation - the Stage I chassis is a slightly modified Series 109", not Range Rover.

Richard

Is the chassis much different from an early one-ten? some of them had power steering.

Regards. Mark.

In message , MVP writes

As different as any 110 is from a SIII.

The 109 V8 however has a different steering relay than other Series vehicles. It does not pass through the front chassis member. From the look of it with a bit of messing you could fit a PAS box to it. Much better than those god awful PAS kits you get that use a ram. It still would be a lot of work. But a better solution. Even with a small steering wheel I never thought that the steering on my stage one was that heavy.

Even with a small

These young lads are all wimps nowadays! (not that Marc's that old!!)

Gordon

See Richard's reply. The Stage 1 had the same gearbox and drive system as the Range Rover, but its own axles. The transfer gear high ratio is unsuitable for that engine - you would do better with the one fitted to the Australian Isuzu engined Stage 1 and 110 - sorry, I don't have part numbers. You could possibly fit a Range Rover overdrive - it would fit, but may not stand up to the Perkins - they don't stand up to the Isuzu. The steering will be suffering from the engine being a lot heavier than the original, but even so, the steering should not be too bad provided the tyres are the original size and correct pressure. JD

The Stage 1 chassis is a slight variation on the SIII 109, it has very little in common with the 110.

Richard

Thinking about it now it makes sense that the early one-ten chassis is more range rover than anything else.

Regards. Mark.

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