Leaded and unleaded

He got a last minute job.

Apparently it's the first time Bayford have had a delivery of 38 tonnes of humble pie.

But Conor is right that there's something fishy about the situation. Leaded petrol has been removed from stations since Jan 2000, most of them anyway, yet it hasn't been disallowed. Seems like a legal mess. What exactly is going on? Remember all the scare stories about the detrimental environment effects, children's intelligence development, etc.

The message from Johannes contains these words:

Not a mess at all. It was /effectively/ banned from general sale by making it all but unobtainable. An exception was made for a very small amount to be made available for use in vehicles for which conversion would be inappropriate.

Not a difficult concept.

Nah, I'll trust the one from the people making the law.

Prove the exception exists. From an official source, not that leadfree website.

Go ahead...it's still a dozen or more degrees above yours.

Sorry, I prefer to believe what I read in the EU directive.

Your brains are made of it?

halfway down here

" An allowance of leaded petrol, up to 0.5% of total petrol sales, may be marketed for classic vehicles. "

Also here

" 15. A rate of duty for leaded petrol has been maintained because although leaded fuel was banned with effect from 1 January 2000 small quantities may still be delivered for use in those cars, mostly classic cars, which must use leaded petrol. "

Plenty more found from here

HTH

I assume you're accusing Bayford Thrust of defrauding consumers, then?

Perhaps their legal team would be interested in a chat with you.

0.5%. Although by 2001 sales were only 0.025% of total fuel sales.

42 different DfT web pages to choose from.

Moving the goalposts, or simply blathering on refusing to admit you're wrong (again)?

A certain, miniscule, amount of full fat motion potion is available

*legally* for cars that require it. Your typical ASDA won't be flogging it, but some petrol stations carry it to cater to the specialist market.

Is it so hard to accept that from time to time you get things wrong?

From 'time to time'..... surely you mean 'from time to time you get things right' ;-)

Most legislation is, IMO. Rushed in, not thought out, imposed by a government who wants to do something and ignores any opinions that might get in the way...

Yep. And I seem to recall one of the case studies was New Zealand. Where the drop in lead related illnesses corellated nicely with the replacement of lead water pipes, and the incident of cancers rose with the introduction of carcinogen laden unleaded fuels.

So on the one hand you've got a possible cause for lead related health problems being ignored and something else blamed, on the other that something else is then changed to something that appears to be possibly far more dangerous.

Aside from that, the rear health problems from leaded are going to be verging on non-existant now given the tiny amount available for road use.

I've been buying the stuff up to this year. At an arm and a leg per litre. From a pump that said "4 star leaded petrol". At a station which also sold LRP.

Proof? Can you prove you are Conor Turton?

Hansard official enough?

"Lord Montagu of Beaulieu: My Lords, in thanking the Minister for thatreply I declare an interest in older vehicles. Does the noble Lordagree that without some kind of benchmarking or British standard,several million drivers of older vehicles will be continuallyapprehensive, perhaps through ignorance, as to the effect on theirvehicles of the lack of leaded petrol? Does the Minister agree that itbehoves the Government to co-operate with the fuel companies to mounta national campaign of information so that drivers know what stepsthey can take to minimise any possible damage to their cars after 1stJanuary next? With regard to the 0.5 per cent. of leaded petrol thatwill be allowed to be distributed, have the Government had anydiscussion with the fuel companies as to when, how and where this canbe done?"

Ah yes, Conor resorting to type. If he swears and insults enough then maybe he can bluster people out.

Name your place and time Conor, I'll come calling then we can settle this man to man if it'll make you feel better.

For general consumption yes. 0.5% of the sales volume however is permitted to be of leaded fuel for classic and heritage vehicles.

Are you man enough to apologise?

Having enquired of the man they get it supplied from their refinery like that. They get a little bitty tanker that looks like it's built on a 7.5 ton chassis and that gives them the leaded fuel. Regular deliveries come in the large 38 ton wagons.

Oh, okay, you have the IQ of a melted ice cube.