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I did not foresee or expect that smoking would ever be banned in pubs. In retrospect, part of the problem is the change over to central heating, when I was young, every pub had an open fire which caused a good number of air changes per hour, I also think that the change of tobacco additives caused the fumes to become more acrid, that, coupled with the stagnant atmosphere caused pubs to just fill with eye watering stench. After a short while in there you needed a shower and to wash all your clothes, I did not think the costs were worth the results.

Hope you didn?t watch this week?s episode of ?Grand Tour? then. ;-)

Tim

I don't think the English pubs have ever been half as bad as the bars in France and Germany (in any given year). Even as recently as 2011 I *had* to leave a bar in relatively clean Hannover because I could neither see nor breathe for cigarette smoke. And further East in places like Leipzig in Saxony it was even worse... unbelievable.

There's nothing those 3 great blokes can do that I would ever proscribe. :-D

I take it you've never seen under the bonnet of a V12 E-Type? ;-)

Odd, isn't it? Apparently people now drink at home due to it being cheaper. But can afford to eat out in pubs.

I've seen under the bonnet of so many old cars I can't recall the precise details of all of them! I'll take your word for it on this occasion.

The people that used to eat out didn't frequent pubs. They went to hotel dinning rooms, grills (usually a Bernie by the 70's) or places that did afternoon and high tea. With the rise of 2 income families in the late

70's women were unable to spend the afternoon preparing a meal from scratch and even less inclined to start on getting home from work. Women decided they like eating out.

I had a mate with one. 2+2 auto. Dreadful car. My Rover P6 3500S with an engine half the size would leave it for dead away from the lights. And had room for 4 real people too. ;-)

The injection models were a lot better. But still nowhere like a V12 of that size should be.

But still drink at home to save money?

When I had a decent local I used to enjoy a pint or two of decent bitter. Not something you can buy from a supermarket. A glass of wine tastes the same anywhere.

I had a 3.5 P6, too. Great car, but there must have been something seriously wrong with that E.

They'd probably have got more grunt (and certainly better power/weight) out of a V8 of the same capacity. Anyway, just changing the plugs on a Jag V12 takes the best part of a day if you're lucky (and you can bet the forward ones, which are a pain to get to, will not want to come out 'cos hardly anyone has the service tool for their removal).

Look up the performance figures for a V12 2+2 auto. Difficult to find, as few mags ever tested autos.

A work mate with an XLS reckoned he could do it in a morning. But he did have a doctorate in engieering. ;-) Think he removed the air con first.

You need to visit an old public bar first thing in the morning to be put off drinking too.

Used to film in several. Obviously, cheaper to do before they opened. And the smell of stale beer from the carpet quite turned your stomach.

The nearest I have got to that was when a mate and I were running a sound system though the bar / restaurant for a family member. We could only work when the place was closed and whilst you could smell you were in a pub type place when you went in first thing, it wasn't a 'spit and sawdust' place either.

However (and I know we have discussed this before), I really can't remember the last time I had to deal with the perfectly predictable side effect of passive drinking on my clothes or electronic equipment. And I'm not talking about spillage here, I'm talking about after just having my clothes or the equipment in the same room as one person drinking?

I guess we all have our triggers ... it's just that ITRW, I personally (and may people I know) have been blighted by having to endure (with little in the way of recourse, short of missing out) being passive smokers, not passive drinkers, or passive curry eaters or passive candyflossers etc.

I could never understand the logic of how someone who wasn't doing something that impacted anyone else had less rights than someone who was (as anyone gently asking a smoker to refrain (say, till you had finished your meal) would soon find out).

Smokers were like cats ... it seems that they weren't expected to behave with any social responsibility and there *was* little the rest of us could do about it. Now we *can* keep them out of our gardens and social spaces (if only that was the case with cats ...). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

Funny how the smell of these things can me masked when in their environments.

IMHO, *that* is the only example anyone should need to stop / ban smoking. ;-)

Result. When we have cleaned such stuff down when you have had to lift it off with a cloth, the colour of the water afterwards ... ;-(

+1 for plastic wood veneer. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

But did he only charge half price for doing half the job?

He was on contract to a shop, the callout was a guarantee job (might even have been a rental TV back then)

Ah - right. Happy to take his pay to do half a job. ;-)

No wonder people have seen sense and no longer rent TVs.

He was pissed off at the idea that he had to go out, simply because someone is too lazy and stupid to clean their telly screen once in a while.

He did know his TV repairs back then, my neighbour gave me a set with a colour fault, my mate said 'I know what that needs' and gave it an almighty slap on the case, instantly there was a really good picture!! He later removed and cleaned one of the boards' edge connector, that TV went for many years, before becoming beyond economic repair.