Hi, I am thinking of buying the latest model Miata. I have read a
bunch of reviews and have not heard one negative thing. Before seeing
a dealer I have a few questions:
1) is it a great car? :) I plan on getting the higher trim with 6
speed, I will drive it alot, but pretty much get split usage between my
other vehicle which will solves the cargo demand.
2) I just learned about the 2007 model will have a hard top and I was
wondering if it is worth it to get the hard top. I live in CA, so
cold or rainly weather is not a big deal here. I have not had a
convertable before so I really cannot foresee how it is either way.
Although I think I probably do not like to park with the top down.
Some says the hardtop take something away from the Miata? Why? When
will the 2007 model be available and will it still be possible to buy
the 2006 model when the 2007 is available?
3) I have not started the buying process, I think mazda made it clear
with the different trim models and options few and clear. I wanted to
know if it is a difficult car to order in a particular color, or
4) I suppose to final straw might be the insurance, is it especially
expensive because it is convertable? horse power is mild enough I
don't think it falls into the high insurance bracket.
1) in my mind and in the minds of most owners and reviewers it is a
2) from what I've heard the folding hardtop is a new trim level which
adds something like $1,500 to the car's price. It will make the car a
bit more secure and, assuming they include some sort of headliner, will
make it warmer/cooler inside and probably quieter also. The hardtop adds
a bit of weight but not much and probably not enough to be a serious
performance drag. It will certainly be possible to buy a 2006 when the
2007 becomes available (hint: some dealers will still sell you a new
2005 right now and there are probably a few 2004s to be had) but what
you will be getting will be the leftovers so getting exactly what you
want will become problematic - no special orders then.
3) ordering anything you want in the way of a standard trim level in a
standard color with standard options should be no trouble it all
4) I know that California insurance is high but as such things go the
Miata should be a relatively cheap car to insure. That assumes of course
that you aren't 19 years old with a bad driving record and living in a
dangerous area. Hell, I was paying < $500 a year for liability and
collision on my 1991 Miata and changing over to the 2006 raised that to
I guess I thought of a few tech question
- does it run on regular (87) octane gas or require premium fuel?
- how is the factory LSD? and suspension upgrade? If I am not
mistaken $500 gets you both of them?
- I think there is a HID option, how is it?
- I know it has some kind of traction control with the premium package,
what does it do? and can it be turned off so the driver can have
complete control? beside the ABS I suppose.
I am thinking the 2007 hard top would be pretty good, supposed to only
add 70 lbs.. seems it would be better security when parked.
John McGaw wrote:
-Premium (although intermediate seems to work fine on long interstate
-LSD is a Torsen viscous type and seems to work well but does not lock
up solid like old-style USA types. Upgraded "sport" suspension does not
make a hard ride but I can't tell how much benefit it yields (but it
does come with pretty yellow shocks)$500 sounds right and I think the
LSD is worth it by itself
-I thought that the HID was part of the premium package? Don't know if
it is available separately or how much that might cost that way. Stock
lights seem plenty bright to me but tastes vary.
-traction control can be switched off IIRC. It is the sort which
determines if the driver is getting out of line and selectively applies
the brakes to one wheel at a time to bring it back. Have never tried it
since my "sport" doesn't have it and it never kicked in during my test
drives on the "premium" because the salesman was giving me the evil eye
when I really pushed it.
Torsen, not viscous. They're two different technologies. The Torsen is
an excellent choice for spirited driving on public roads, and should
last forever with no attention.
Agreed. The concensus among hardcore drivers is that the springs and
shocks aren't nearly stiff enough, but if you like the way it works,
that's all that matters.
Octane requirement is 91.
Initially, I thought the PRHT was a wacky, over-the-top (pun intended)
idea. But I think the demand will be higher than anticipated. At an
$1800 premium, it's only $300 more than the old removable hardtop,
without the drawbacks of storage and wrestling it into place, not to
mention being able to enjoy an unseasonably nice top-down day without
advance planning. If I were in the market for a new NC, I'd want the
PRHT for sure. There's no downside except the initial cost. Well, and
that it's ugly, but not from inside the car, which is all I care about.
That's what I thought at first as well, but it will offer the best of
No mater how much you like top down driving, the top has to go up
sometimes, the exception being maybe not if it is a purely recreational
vehicle located somewhere where rain is very rare.
It adds a bit of weight and I wonder about the life expectancy and
replacement cost of the electric motor. Then I think about never
replacing a vinyl top again....
Thanks alot, I discussed with my significant other and we now both
think the hard top would be a good choice, one of the few reasons one
is we have a tree that drop saps in spring I cannot imagine what would
happen if that falls on a soft top.
so I will probably not get the HID lights and use the budget for the
hard top instead.
Regarding the LSD then, I understand it is the "gear type" then not the
clutch type (vicious?) Is there noticable gear whine and does anyone
know it is a 1 way or 1.5 way LSD?
The sports suspension I think I would get anyway, if it is stiffer than
stock I would go for it. I figure by the time shocks need replacement
it would be time to go aftermarket, and warranty would be over by then
I saw specification file the 2007 model will have 167HP and 163HP for
AT. Why did it lost 3 HP.. !
I've never had a problem removing sap from the soft top on my 1990 - just a
little Simple Green and a full application of elbow grease takes it right
off. Removing sap from the hardtop is more complicated since you want to
get it off Right Away so it doesn't damage the paint.
Of course my '90 is not clear coated so that might make a difference.
Iva & Belle.)
'90B Classic Red.)
#3 winkin' Miata
I do not notice it. But then, I would not pay that much attention when it
is operating. :)
Do they make 1.5 ways?
As noted, the suspension remains soft, some say softer. However, the
shocks still seem to be effective at killing the energy in the rolling
motion quickly in my experience. I am a lot faster in my 2006 in AutoX
than in my much stiffer Sebring 96 with Konis and R-Springs in the rear.
But I am not a good driver. Still, I am happy I got the suspension
The traction control makes the car supposedly safer. Also extremely
sluggish, I have been told by one of our better Miata AutoXers, who looked
at one. What do you expect when you brake wheels while trying to go fast?
The salesman told him to turn of the traction control, and that made a lot
of difference. I am glad I did not get it.
Leon van Dommelen :) Bess, the Miata :) Bozo, the Miata :)
If you had a '91 that had never had the rearend changed, you did not
have a Torsen rear end. You had a VLSD. ('90 - '93) That rearend was a
viscosity type "limited slip" rearend.
Go look in miata.net at the list of items near the bottom of the page.
You will see an item about how to ID Open, VLSD and Torsen rearends.
Bruce Bing '03 LS
I guess that might justify some of my confusion. Too late to go and
check the diff in the '91 by now -- it was traded in April. But at least
now I know what sort of diff the '06 has. Just need to keep those
particular gray cells alive now...
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:39:06 +0000, Lanny Chambers wrote:
Yeah, there are a lot of advantages to the NC but looks isn't one of them.
I understand that Mazda wants to have a corporate design language across
all their models and there are benefits to the new design, for example
where getting rid of the coke-bottle shape opened up more room in the
passenger compartment. But the old shape just looks better and there's no
getting past it.
The "Coke - Bottle" look is called "Area-Rule". It is the aero drag
curve of an object in flight. I don't think that the Miata (oh crap !)
MX-5 goes fast enough to take advantage of this in most of it's road
time, but the White ones might. Leon can you help us here ??? :-)
Bruce Bing '03 LS
It is called "coke-bottle" shape, but you could call it "slide-rule". :)
Only if the object starts flying at a Reynolds number of 1 or so
and ends in the transonic range.
Sure. White Miatas readily drive transonic speed. However, usually
white Miatas do not have the Mitsubishi (cars) sized wings to take
advantage of the coke shape. The refined taste of their drivers will
simply not allow it.
Leon van Dommelen :) Bess, the Miata :) Bozo, the Miata :)
OH please Pat, save us from that !!!!!
(but isn't it a nice color ?? :-) "Bing"
I thought those things were for the G/F to push the car to the gas
station when he said, "Oh honey we are out of gas, I guess we will stop
here in the woods."
Up that high, she won't need to bend over to push. :-)
Bruce Bing '03 LS
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