alt.autos.mazda

That's what we call a NIMBY (not in my backyard group). They don't work. You can't form a group for someone else to post in--that has to come from the posters in question.

The corollary to a NIMBY group is netcopping--that is, trying to force someone to post in a group. That way would bring you a lot of attention you didn't know you hadn't wanted.

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You could propose rec.autos.makers.mazda, if you'd like. Or other rec.autos.makers.* groups, if you're interested.

- Tim Skirvin ( snipped-for-privacy@big-8.org) Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Could you re-read his message for comprehension, Eugene, this time? He just said he's NOT interested.

I don't think that was Body Rolls intention. There are a lot of people that post in the rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata newsgroup that start by apologizing for posting in the wrong newsgroup, but could find nothing closer to post in.

For what it's worth.....and that might not be much, I welcome the idea of such a newsgroup and encourage Body Rolls to submit a RFD for rec.autos.makers.mazda or even alt.autos.mazda

It's up to those POSTING ON THE TOPIC to make the proposal, because they are the ones who need to be motivated enough to post to the group and make the group a success. No one else should make the proposal as he would lack a vested interested in keeping the newsgroup from failing.

I was reading , made by the entity known as Adam H. Kerman, that requests spam to be sent to and I became inspired,

So I can't hijack this one? Darn.

I could file an RFD for rec.autos.makers.mazda if people feel that should be a part of big 8 tree. But the majority of car groups are under alt.autos.* , so I thought it makes sense to stick the group in there instead. From what I understand creation of a group in alt.* does not require filing an RFD and going thru the voting process. And my understanding is that alt.* groups live forever enough interest from posters or not. Filed a request to google groups to propagate creation of alt.* back to news servers. Will see what they say. If not maybe I can manage to revive nntp access thru my ISP. But I doubt I can create a new group thru nntp. I probably need news account on a news server. That's why I asked a news admin to do it.

I don't have a Miata, nor do I want one due to the lack of security offered by a fixed roof (say hello to Kabura). So I will be posting on topic to the proposed a.a.m vs. off topic to r.a.m.m.m

behind having alt.* tree in the first place.

I was reading , made by the entity known as Body Roll, that requests spam to be sent to and I became inspired,

free.autos.mazda has been created some time ago. If you can't read it you can request it on your server. Give the same advise to the (off-topic) posters in your newsgroup. And don't ever listen to Tim in alt.config, he's a clueless troll.

I was reading , made by the entity known as Body Roll, that requests spam to be sent to and I became inspired,

Same goes for free.* but for free.* discussion in alt.config is not required.

Bah. I've been reading this group for a lot of years and have never seen a single instance of a 6 or 3 owner spamming this group.

_Occasionally_ a mon-Miata Mazda owner posts a question about a

3 or a Protege or whatever. Sometimes somebody here knows the answer. Anybody not interested in the occasional Mazda3 thread can just killfile it. If owners of non-Miata Mazdas _want_ a group, that's cool, but I don't think they're bothering anybody here (except you evidently).

Please fix your line length. Choose a fixed font. Set the length to less that 80 characters.

Anybody can propose a newsgroup. Tim is trying to push you into proposing a newsgroup for a topic that you don't wish to discuss it, but are actively hostile to those posting on it, as you told us when you accused those posters of "spamming" your newsgroup.

YOU cannot create a newsgroup AT ALL. YOU aren't a news administrator. You are confusing creating a newsgoup with sending of the newgroup message.

Sure, there's always some server that will create a newsgroup in response to a newgroup message. What makes you think that it'll be the server that those posting on the topic will themselves use?

Even if the group happened to be created on the server they use, it's mere existence doesn't force anyone to use it, let alone stop using your newsgroup. If the group would have little or no on topic discussion in it, then those who might wish to discuss the topic will be discouraged from posting to it reasoning that there's no one to discuss it with

For a more detailed explanation of this issue, please read BarB's periodic message with Subject: HINT How alt groups work.

This is why it's vital that only someone interested in discussing the topic be the one to propose a newsgroup. Such a person will have a vested interested in making the group a success.

Someone in your position, who merely wants to redirect discussion he doesn't approve of out of his newsgroup, won't be so motivated.

Don't let someone mislead you into doing something you aren't truly interested in, for it won't get you what you want. You are being trolled.

To be honest, I'm not sure how well it'll work. It's difficult to drive traffic from your group, and creating a new group isn't a good way to start; it's much easier to try to create a new group *for yourself*. And that's not really appropriate in this case, since you have the properly named group already...

My real point was that, if y'all want to make more groups to talk about specific cars, it should be a lot easier to do so in rec.autos.* nowadays. I'd welcome, for instance, a rec.autos.makers.toyota.scion group,

The Big-8 creation process has changed dramatically in the last few months. You can read about it at

. My personalgoal is to have the Big-8 process be easier to go through than the alt.*process.

- Tim Skirvin ( snipped-for-privacy@big-8.org) Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Please fix your line length. NEVER send lines longer than 79 characters.

You said, "so that owners of Mazda 6s and 3s won't keep spamming rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata"

That's not a good attitude for a proponent to have. You should not be proposing any newsgroups.

That's right; there are no RFDs in alt. But you don't understand how alt groups do get created. It doesn't happen when someone sends a newgroup. Please read BarB's periodic posting with Subject: HINT How alt groups work.

No, it isn't. alt was set up as a means to distribute newsgroups that would be selected by individual News administrators rather than those selected by those who are today called hierarchy administrators. There is no "central" creation of new alt newsgroups. Proponents certainly lack that power.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:29:30 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin) scribbled:

Easier than sending a control message and asking your provider to carry it?

Yes.

- Tim Skirvin ( snipped-for-privacy@big-8.org) Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Ah. Already been done.

You want Yahoogroups,

and the "Create Group" button. B/

Read one of this, for how it works:

You'll understand more of what Adam means and what I intended.

Are those people posting regularly now? Are they willing to request the group from their providers?

alt.* groups don't need an RFD, unlike rec.* (it's not exactly true that rec.* is easier these days, there's a lot of byzantine hoops to jump through).

alt.config serves to help you form a proposal before you send a control message, but if you read the FAQs--links posted every day in the .sigs of Hawk and 2Rowdy, the nylon.net one is the current fave--you can send one yourself and begin promoting the group right away.

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