What is the general consensus on linking RAMFM to website forums?
I know I copy stuff from RAMFM over to the forums of MMNA in case it is of interest there. With mention of source of course.
Now if I were to get our admininstrator to link RAMFM, like Mr. Christian has done, but without the censorship, would that be OK. There would still be the issue of anybody with admin/moderator priviledges at MMNA being able to modify/delete posts. However, I doubt that would happen unless we get a major flame war. In which case they'd probably shitcan the entire thread. :-)
I'm not saying MMNA will go and do this. I'm just checking the general consensus from the hardcore group of posters in here.
I do have a link to RAMFM on my own Mustang site. It'll take one to google and open up RAMFM.
What is the general consensus on linking RAMFM to website forums?
I know I copy stuff from RAMFM over to the forums of MMNA in case it is of interest there. With mention of source of course.
Now if I were to get our admininstrator to link RAMFM, like Mr. Christian has done, but without the censorship, would that be OK?
There would be the issue of anybody with admin/moderator priviledges at MMNA being able to modify/delete posts. This is inherent to the forum software used. However, I doubt that would happen unless we get a major flame war. In which case they'd probably shitcan the entire thread. :-)
I'm not saying MMNA will go and do this. I'm just checking the general consensus from the hardcore group of posters in here as if that is favorable, I might pitch the idea to them...
I do have a link to RAMFM on my own Mustang site. It'll take one to google and open up RAMFM.
I link to the news group on your web site is a spectacular idea. Something along the lines of "rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang Usenet Newsgroup. For all years of Ford Mustangs and Shelby Mustangs" (compliments of Tom Schmidt's ultimate Mustang links site) What is not allowed without the express written consent of every member here is the use of our posts in a web based forum such as that found on Christians web site. The mere fact that he is using our posts here to boost this web sites traffic count is the best case of blatant fraud by a slimeball web site owner that I have ever seen. He must truly lead a pitiful life, I feel sorry for anyone that is associated with such a scumbag.
Obviously *how* and *why* it's being done has to be taken into consideration. In this case... without all the details, I'd offer than any site that is "hijacking" material, in it's entirety from a "free" (free as in freedom not free as in "free beer") source to increase the "attractiveness" of a site, forum or publication, in a *commercial* (read as "for profit" or "money making") venture may be violating copyright laws and *is* at least violating ethical behavior.
(I hate it when I use run-on sentences, whewww. hehehe)
at 14 Nov 2003, Bill S. [ snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net] wrote in news:hjftb.16829$ snipped-for-privacy@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
I use the original RAMFM logo (with permission) to do this. For all with websites who like to do this as well here's the HTML code. (you'll have to get the logo and get permission from the artist though)
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
On a normal VBulletin board, and in fact any other PHP board, there is an 'Ignore' feature. It's nowhere near as sophisticated as that in newsreading software, but it will remove peoples posts if you don't care to read them. Unlike Usenet though they are still there and you can take the person off Ignore if you want to read that specific post.
These Usenet scripts don't allow that, so you can either get another script to auto filter threads, which is getting closer to newsreading KillFiles, or you can do it manually.
He's only exercising his right to only show certain threads from the NG's. He doesn't have to take everything. They are still available to be seen. If people have their own newservice they can view via their newsreader, or they can see them on Google et al. They are still there, uncensored. Horsepower guy is merely showing what he thinks his members will be interested in.
If he left any critical posts (of his site), this wouldn't be of interest to his members, and could actually piss them off. Surely you wouldn't want his members coming over en masse to disrupt this NG with their anger at being dissed? All they have to do is go post from Google if they don't have their own access and he doesn't have posting switched on.
You would have a point if that was the case, but spam is a feature of Usenet and you can't avoid it. Just because there isn't much here at the moment, doesn't mean you won't get innudated in the future. Swings and Roundabouts. At some point it'll come again regardless of him, and then it'll recede. Use your spam filters. They can't send it to your own email can they?
It isn't.
I don't like my posts being archived on Google. I don't like my messageboard posts being archived on the web, but submit to a search engine and they'll grab them.
Unlike Google, your posts will not be on his board for years. He has limited space and will prune threads every so often to clear space.
Filtering can take many forms. Some ISP's retain posts on text groups for months others for a few weeks. ISPs usually only keep binaries for a couple of days. Premium servers 30 days.
Because they don't have the time or inclination. If there were a load of threads saying that 'Google is crap, use Yahoo instead', there is every chance they would filter them out.
Unlike a newserver horsepowers site doesn't just pull in everything, it filters the groups to the ones he wants and thinks his members will be interested in.
Plenty of people with VBulletins have these 'scripts', and pipe NG's in.
You can even pipe in public mailing lists from Yahoo, or wherever.
MTT ______ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote in news:HNutb.11328$HD3.8987@lakeread06:
Can you edit them here? So what software is this then?
If you can't edit them normally, why should you think you can edit at horsepowers. He is merely displaying them. You can't edit at Google or any other web interface either.
Go ahead, make fools of yourself by trying to get him to stop.
MTT __________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"CGreen" wrote in news:Ygwtb.57615$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
Dude has a site (Horsepower.com) where he pipes in the NG like Google and Newsone does, so that people who don't have newgroup access don't have to go to those sites to read them.
Some people here have got delusions of grandeur and are harrasing the guy in a rather despicable way. Also threatening him with legal action and such, trying to scare him off (heh they won't try that on Google. :P)
Bill S. and all his little sheep are ganging up on this guy, and being pretty spiteful. They don't understand that not only is he perfectly within his rights, but *they* are harassing him, and risk losing their internet accounts altogether should he complain about their behaviour.
They are offended that he displays their posts, and then they are odffended that he doesn't have *every* thread.
Their behaviour is making me so sick, it's got me out of lurkdom.
I might report them myself if they don't can it.
MTT ________
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
Let's say an unsuspecting Mustang enthusiast stumbles accross this web site and becomes a member. Let's assume this person isn't web savy and thinks his posts are being forwarded to ramfm unaltered. Now let's say he wants to post something that the Admin of Horsepowered doesn't like and doesn't want on Usenet for all to see for eternity. Now lets say the member's post is altered or just outright deleted before it's sent to Usenet. Maybe his post is left unaltered on the forum and altered before being sent to ramfm. Is it fair to the member for this to occur and is it fair to the Usenet community to read a post that has been altered by someone other than the original poster? Now multiply this senario by a factor of millions and can you foresee what this does to Usenet? It damn near makes it worthless. You'll have sites spamming newsgroups to no end. Even the groups you like would be affected.
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
It's very simple. That n00b would be *posting* on horsepower guys site. He is therefore subject to the legal agreement he, er, agreed to on registering. I have such a one on my board. It gives him the right to moderate *anything* that was *posted* on his board.
If he allowed his members to post *anything* (lets assume he is lax with moderating his 'normal' forums) then anyone could register and spam, flame, libel or do whatever they want. Then you guys could rightly get pissed and complain to him because the posts originate from his board. If it was Joe Public on his own computer you can just killfile the tosser or complain to his ISP.
When a website or board posts on their behalf then I'd say he'd be lax if he didn't make sure his members weren't misbehaving before the posts were forwarded to the news servers. I would assume if he edited said fellas post, he would PM him to tell him why, in much the same way as he would in the ordinary forum.
If said fella wants to post something bad that he really doesn't want editing, then he needs to post it elsewhere. Somewhere where they don't have time to moderate said content of outgoing posts like Google or Newsone. Or get himself newserver access and he can post whatever the hell he wants from his computer. Providing it isn't internet abuse.
If he can't work out that there is more to the net than the web or horsepower.com then someone will soon tell him. If they don't then he's probably an idiot nobody will talk to. :P
Hey horsepower guy could be saving you from trolls you know. If he screens flames and trolls out before displaying the group for his members in a kind of Admin 'killfile', then it's not illogical he'll return the favor on the outgoing journey is it.
All he has to do in that case is read thru Google.
You can throw as many "what if's" as you like, but if he isn't doing this then you are blowing smoke. You cannot try someone on the basis of something they *could* do. That is as ridiculous as locking someone up for murder because they own a gun. Well they
*might* kill someone. Or someone being locked up for drink driving because he drinks and owns a car. Oh let's lock all men up because they have a penis and *could* rape.
You see how ridiculous this logic is?
He is not editing the content of your posts. I suppose he
*could* do if he wanted, but he hasn't.
He is not the only one with such a VB script. Probably half VBulletin boards have them. You are the only group who has decided you can control where your newsgroup posts are displayed. That is why this NG is becoming infamous, and not in a good way.
No he isn't censoring posts. He is only choosing to display certain threads, threads which are relevant and which he has the space for.
This thread title is a complete misnomer. There is no 'linking' going on, he is merely choosing to use his site as a client to to allow his members to view the groups posts.
Just because you take every single thread no matter how off topic, doesn't mean he should. I certainly don't! I don't have a lot of hard drive space and don't want to clog it up with garbage. I filter threads viciously and only allow on to my computer those which will be of interest. I figure horsepower guy is working from the same mindset.
Do you really think his members would be happy to hear the spiteful vendetta going on in here? They obviously like the site, which is why they are there. They no doubt enjoy reading this group - probably because he makes sure the more hateful threads don't get through. If they were to read the group in all it's glory on Google, they may not have such a favorable opinion of you guys.
With no disrespect... convince me. How have you arrived at that decision? Please cite reference and research, so I can back up this claim. If I happen to be convinced, I'd like to be able to back up myself.
Sarcasm and contempt is obviously not a great debating technique. Please be sure to not reduce your own credibility if you'd like me to give weight to your opinions... unless of course that is the condition you are aiming for.
As a matter of fact, I've taken Bill S. to task on a few of his statements here... we don't always agree. Google it if you please. Lumping everybody together as "sheep" because they have the same outlook is never a good thing. It's.. well... shallow.
No he is not "within" his rights. Please cite how you've arrived at this conclusion. I'd really concede if somebody could show me how they come up with this idea.
I'm not offended at all. I have issues with it... more than one. I'll just give you some examples. If my posts have showed up on his site where I have chose not to registered to use his forum, how I am to respond to replies made there? Is he piping the replies back to this group? If the admin of the site is willing to delete posts he deems unusable, is he willing to alter posts he deems marginally usable? If he does, is it then that you should ask him to stop? After the fact? Sometimes a reactionary response is to little to late. If he wants to pipe this group, it should be all or nothing, as posted.
Is that an admission of never having contributed anything useful to this group? I say this because I've notice that people with little to offer are more commonly the ones that abuse the knowldge and creativity of those that do.
Knock yourself out. I have at least three accounts and AOL is the most bullet-proof.
You seem to advocate rights, but yet you condemn the opposing view point? You ridicule because you are offended by those that don't share your own thought process and and use words like "spiteful" and "harassing" yet when you read something posted you threaten "I might report them myself"... has it occurred to you that maybe you have become what you dislike? Let's see... Side A is wrong to report side Bs alledged abusive behavior but side C is exempt from being wrong to report side A, which side C deems is exhibiting poor behavior. I'll try to ponder where you're coming from on that one. Some kind of paradox going on there.
You are free to debate you views but be careful that your position doesn't mimic exactly what you are debating against!!! The only behavior you are in control of is yours.
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