Elise S1

The reason why there are Toyota engines in the Elise is that these engines where bargains buys for Lotus ( a tradition on which Lotus is also very keen). To their merit are the relibale 190 HP. To their detriment is that the Toyota engine / gearbox weighs almost 100 kg more than the K-serie engine.

The main reason of gasket popping on the K-series has been found -true or false I don't know. However I want the Elise at 720 kg not at 860kg: the magic of the Elise is in the weight control, not the horsepower. If HP is wanted, I would go big engine (which I do on another car) of forced induction like the Cossie.

The shear weight of the Ford engine and its rebuild every 15000 km are once of the motifs for the "light" (78 kg) K-series.

The Toyota engine-power compensates for the extra weight when accelerating, but it doesn't while cornering and braking. There is the mere fact that the S2 receives far softer tires and bigger brakes than the orginal S1 which indicates that the weight increase is more than hurting.

Original S1= 690 kg, 2 years later: 720 kg and the S2 Toyota-engine 860-910 kg depending on the options.

I raced in former life a factory build race-Citroën AX GT: 155 HP /550 kg. It went around Spa as fast as the official Porsche 944 Turbo Cup. But the normal AX-GT (830 kg/100 HP) was left for dead on the streets compared to the 944 Turbo. I liked the race version but hated the street AX.

AX and 944 Cup met but once on the racetrack and the performance of the tiny plastic AX compared to the heavy bill-Porsche was sufficient that we were kindly given the advise never to apply again for tracktime while the Porsche crowd was there too.

A my collegue says: I won't be loosing weight, but instead I'll make my car somewhat lighter.

Tom De Moor

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Tom De Moor
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I think they eventually traced the main problem of the blown headgaskets down to having the thermostat in the wrong place and the plastic cylinderhead locating dowels. There's an interesting article on the K series on the link below if you haven't seen it.

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Homer

Good stuff, although I would stay clear of the 190BHp VHPD engine. See:

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80% of the way down the page, there is a section on the VHPD, plus references throughout the text, which are not exactly flattering. That said, there is a lot of good tuning work done properly with the K-series, so good power is available without resorting to a VHPD lump:
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The head-gasket problem is only really a problem if you don't monitor water levels* AND you get one with the stupid plastic head-locating dowels, which you can always have changed.

*Steveh: You'd think an Alfisti would have some sympathy for the need to keep an eye on fluid levels...
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Albert T Cone

IIRC though it's not just engine, the brake discs went from aluminium based alloy to an iron based one, and at some point airbags and ABS got involved. Isn't a stereo standard too now, so there'll be a few kg of speakers as well.

Anyway as you've got a 135 I would go for some forced induction - Turbo Technics supercharger kit?

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Tim S Kemp

The aluminium disks and some other "upgrades" caused the S1 to go from 690 to

720 kg, that's close to 5% increase in weight but it makes the car easier to maintain. The brakes are the main improvement as the alu-ones are quite feable (I have been told) but also carry a major price tag (which I have seen ;) )

I live in Belgium: none of that is allowed, all tuning and fettling which makes a car better is strictly outlawed. In case of an accident all insurance is void and if possible all repsonsability is placed at the tuned car.

My aim is to make any tuning invisible: I do not use a silicon hose in flashy blue, it must be black. Our MOT-inspectors are not the brightest lot, rules are white nearing to black if the inspectors mind is feeling like it but even they will recognise a turbo or supercharger.

At some point I had problems with the Cossie because of a "tuned" clutch, there was indeed a ceramic clutch fitted and getting the car rolling was too big a challenge for the inspector, who promptly declared the car not roadlegal.

Took the issue to his boss -a bloke hard at work sleeping at his desk with feet on it- and was granted the exceptional permission to drive the car through the different check-points. Car came through with flying colors which was normal: it just came out the workshop and everything was spanking new. Still got the remark that the rims did not comply with the original fitment. (went from 15 inch to "big" 16 inch ...) That the brakes were not OEM and would not clear the original rims, wasn't noticed.

Got complemented about the clean engine "for such an old car" but the inspector was confused about the 2 big radiators, and even more because one of them did not seem to contain water. I said it would surely be some error by Ford, which satisfied him.

That day I have earned at least 10 grey hairs.

Tom De Moor

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Tom De Moor

What??? So you mean there's no tuned japmobiles out there?

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Tim S Kemp

Close to none at all.

TDM

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Tom De Moor

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