That may be your opinion but a little logic will prove what you believe is wrong. There are similar variation in GM and Chrysler vehicles as well. Tundra's a made in Indiana have 5, Titans made just over the state line have a 1. Ford Trucks made in Kentucky have a 1. Lincoln pickups made on the same assemble line have a 4.
mike
Ask the SAE, if you really want to know, since they are contracted with the US DOT to assign the WMI to every new vehicle produced in the US.
A little research will prove what you believe is stupid.
There are similar variation in GM and Chrysler vehicles as well.
So the Titans are made with over 70% US content????
Ford Trucks made in Kentucky have a 1. Lincoln pickups made on the
You've posted this before but provide no evidence to back this up. Even if so, the Ford Trucks and Lincolns made on the same assembly line, preseumably with the same basic parts mix, actually proves you wrong...
The WMI assigned by the SAE to the Lincoln pickups were assigned much later than the Ford trucks since Lincoln only recently started making pickups.
Give it up.
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:25:57 -0500, Mike Hunter rearranged some electrons to form:
The 1st digit of the VIN does not designate anything about the parts content.
You were wrong before, Mike, and you're still wrong.
How about working smarter?
What we are seeing is that the rest of the world is learning to do what we have been doing, and we are not learning fast enough to do something nobody else does yet.
When the folks in those turd-world countries can do anything for less money than we are willing to do it for, of course that's where the production goes. Government can not stop that process, anymore than water will flow uphill, or than you can get more energy out of a gallon of corn than out of a gallon of gasoline.
The worst politicians will try to tell you different, because that's what you want to hear, but it just ain't so.
Jack
Jack There is some manufacturing that has to be protected. The California port lock out by the port owners should have been a wake up call, but it wasn't. The reason the feds intervened was military parts were running low. The first ships unloaded where those with Military parts, and those with perishable goods. If I can shut your military parts supply off, as has been demonstrated in every single war the last 100 years, I can stop you cold. Asia can shut our military down any time they want. They can do the same thing to a god part of our transportation infrastructure as well. Nothing works to well these days with out those fancy circuit boards.
Whitelightning
You are free to believe whatever you chose, but if you used a little logic it should become apparent that there must be a reason the US has three numbers, rather than one as do all other countries. Do a search as I did when I became curios as to why there is more than one number for vehicles assemble in the US. You will discover as I have that it the difference is US content, which is more than the totality of the parts. '1' indicates more than 70%, '4' less than 70% but more than 40% and '5' less than 40%. ;)
mike
The fact that the US is so big and has so many auto, bus, truck, off-road vehicle, construction vehicle, etc., manufacturers is the reason.
You're correct. I am free to believe whatever I want. And I went and did my research so that I would have an informed opinion. And my informed opinion is now based on facts, not on the conjecture of someone else who doesn't back up his statements.
I did do the search. What I found is that not one site mentions differences in content as a reason. I did find that nearly idencial vehicles produced on the same production line with nearly identical percent N.A. content have different VINs, because they are sold as different brands (Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Mazda).
If what you suggest is correct, then Ford would have a three groups of VINs, differing only in the first digit. However, as you can see on the second page, this is incorrect.
I also read the legal code that says the US Dept. of Transportation has to have VINs. It mentioned WMIs, but nothing about content. If your conjecture were correct, I would think it would be in the legal code.
I went ahead and did my homework. My homework showed no support of your conjecture. And plenty of evidence against it.
Please post the URL that shows I am incorrect.
In other words, please put up or shut up. Did you notice not one person has said that your are correct?
You'll also notice that I admit when I am wrong. The figures I got for Dec.
2006 auto sales where incorrect. According to Ward's Automotive, Toyota outsold Ford. But the figures were wrong. I admitted that. Mistakes happen.So let's see whether you should admit you were incorrect or I was. There is no shame in making a mistake. Show us the evidence you so often talk about, but don't show us.
Jeff
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:35:28 -0500, Mike Hunter rearranged some electrons to form:
The 1st digit of the VIN does not designate anything about the parts content.
You were wrong before, Mike, and you're still wrong.
Post a link and I will believe you. Otherwise you are wrong.
There is a reason why the US has three numbers. We have more assembly plants than anyone else.
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We are on the same side then, if you agree it's less about protecting jobs than protecting capacity. The jobs will come along with it and that's not a bad thing. But how do you do it at an affordable price with a minimum of corruption and waste? By facilitating R&D and investment, and not by creating a government-financed and -protected enclave for inefficiency, e.g., Ethanol.
I think we can stop feeding Asia as quickly as you say they can stop our transportation.
Jack
You keep saying this but you have yet to provide an authoritative cite to substantiate your claim, while your detractors have provided multiple cites as refutations.
Jack
So post the links to the published information that might substantiate your position, Mike!
No mater how many times you repeat your position without collaborate information from some OTHER source, none of us is going to believe this as yet unsubstantiated scheme.
If you do a search you will discover there is a specific digit, in the VIN that designates the assemble plant.
mike
No they haven't, the only thing they have posted is that the first number is the county where the vehicle is assembled . Nothing about the specific number assigned 1, 4 and 5. ;)
mike
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:50:16 -0500, Mike Hunter rearranged some electrons to form:
The 1st digit of the VIN does not designate anything about the parts content.
You were wrong before, Mike, and you're still wrong.
Incorrect. I have demostrated that similar vehicles coming off the same assembly line have different first digits despite the fact that the US content is nearly the same. This flies in the face of your conjecture.
Furthermore, I have not seen one reference to the use of the first digit as having to do anything with content in the legal code that requires the VIN. Why do you think that is?
Why do think the numbers are 1, 4 and 5, instead of say, 1, 2 and 3? Because
1 was the original number assigned to the US, and as more vehicle makers needed to use VINs, the additional number were assigned.Again, nothing I have found supports your conjecture and much of what I found suggests that your conjecture is incorrect.
Jeff
But you haven't posted ANYTHING to back up your bogus claims!!
Yeah, it's the 11th digit. Your point is?
My point as others have pointed out, we have more vehicles produced at more assembly plants. Your information that Fords and Lincoln trucks assembled at the same plant but with different country digits completely proves that you are incorrect.
We're still waiting for that link that specifically states the first digit determines US content....
You assume the powers that be in China give a rats ass about some peasant starving to death.
Whitelightning
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