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A cool way to help save the planet.

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Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

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Patrick
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I'm staying away from it until the bugs are found and worked out. It is nice to see some larger vehicles jumping on the band wagon. And with

295-hp, 335-lb-ft torque, it doesn't look too shabby.
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Fao, Sean

Seems a bit low on torque for a 5,000+ lb vehicle, but I suppose torque is typical of the relatively small ejgine it has. I suppose they make up for it with gearing, being as how it has an overdrive transmission.

Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good. Too difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older cars are cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper parts cost, and easy to do the work yourself.

Cory

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Cory Dunkle

Cory Dunkle

You're still 20 or so, i'm still 40 years older than you and you are still, absolutely, positively, 100 % W R O N G!!!!!!!!!

All your "reasons" only point out your lack of confidence in yourself.. sorry, but that's what it's about

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Backyard Mechanic

Patrick opined in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

From a sidebar on same site:

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"Burn an SUV, go to prison"

"Who?s afraid of Mustang?"

quote: "Chevrolet marketing director Jim Campbell says the bow-tie division can cover that segment with the four-cylinder, supercharged Cobalt SS and Monte Carlo. "The Monte Carlo is capturing part of that market," Campbell says, pointing out the coupe's success on the NASCAR circuit."

Yeah, sure... whatever!

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Backyard Mechanic

Well you're totally wrong there, because I have confidence in myself and my ability to repair my vehicle. For those thigns I am not so sure of, I ask and take my time doing. Thw two modern vehicles I drove were a nightmare to work on. Totaly not user-friendly. As far as reliability, the modenr one that was fuel injected required me to pour gas down the throttle body on cold mornings. Never had to do that with any of my carbed cars, ever. Also, my insurance was significantly more expensive with either of the econo-box type modern cars I drove than it was with my Galaxie, a comfortable full-size car with a respectable amount of get-up-and-go.

Go ahead and tell me it's more expensive for me to own a classic car I pay less than $2500 for than it is to buy a brand new car I pay $20,000+ for. I'd rather pay for my car all at once in cash than over 5-10 years. Your logic seems quite flawed to me. Go ahead and explain to me how I am 100% wrong about a new, or newer car being more expensive to own. I'm listening.

I won't deny brand new cars are normally very reliable for quite a few years, but once things start wearing out it becomes very expensive. Even many parts for modenr cars are a lot more expensive. To troubleshoot a modern car often requires a code reader, another expense. Too much hassle and extra cost for me. I'd rather stick to what I know and what has not let me down.

Cory

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Cory Dunkle

Yep. Sadly NASCAR died a long, long time ago. Those aren't real cars on the track, and all these new rule changes and BS make it even worse.

Cory

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Cory Dunkle

Cory,

You should have zipped it while you were behind, your reply did nothing to support you original position. Your statements examples and attitude are misguided and very unflattering.

You boorish rebuttal leaves you in a very poor light...

BTW: I have driven many fuel injected cars & trucks into the many 100's of thousands of miles and converted 2 from Carbureted to Fuel Injected, and have NEVER had to pour gas down any of them...

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351CJ

I'm just telling you my experiences. Regardless, the point of my original post was that new cars are more expensive to own. I then gave examples of how parts for new cars are generally more expensive and insurance is significantly more expensive (at least in my neck of the woods).

So instead of saying anything at all about the topic at hand, you take potshots at me. Great... That really shines well on you, eh?

Cory

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Cory Dunkle

Shit.... my wife drives fuel injected vehicles all the time and she never seems to have trouble...... least of all having to manually prime something - I thouht I saw something about "ability to repair"..... must be oldtimers disease setting in...

OTOH, where I live it drops to -40F and colder..... the last thing I need is a truck that turns itself off whenever it stops moving. Hybrids are great for urban use but out here, a warm cab can be the difference between living and dying.

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Jim Warman

Lord.

Anybody want to inform Mr. Campbell that one of the only things the NASCAR Monte Carlo has in common with the showroom version is a cursory passing resemblance?

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Garth Almgren

You forgot to add that "New car smell"

*wink*

Kate

| > Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another | > vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good. | > Too difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older | > cars are cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper | > parts cost, and easy to do the work yourself. | >

| > Cory | >

| | You're still 20 or so, i'm still 40 years older than you and you are still, | absolutely, positively, 100 % W R O N G!!!!!!!!! | | All your "reasons" only point out your lack of confidence in yourself.. | sorry, but that's what it's about

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SVTKate

"Jim Warman" wrote | | OTOH, where I live it drops to -40F and colder..... the last thing I need is | a truck that turns itself off whenever it stops moving.

The thing that popped into my head when I read that part was the "what if" factor. For example, what if, you are at a stop light and you see this guy barreling straight at you and your only option is to stomp on the throttle to get out of the way.... and your truck is turned off.

*shudder*

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| >> > > Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get | >> > > another | >> > > vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no | > good. | >> > > Too difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, | >> > > older | >> > > cars are cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, | > cheaper | >> > > parts cost, and easy to do the work yourself. | >> > >

| >> > > Cory | >> >

| >> > You're still 20 or so, i'm still 40 years older than you and you are | >> still, | >> > absolutely, positively, 100 % W R O N G!!!!!!!!! | >> >

| >> > All your "reasons" only point out your lack of confidence in yourself.. | >> > sorry, but that's what it's about | >>

| >> Well you're totally wrong there, because I have confidence in myself and | > my | >> ability to repair my vehicle. For those thigns I am not so sure of, I ask | >> and take my time doing. Thw two modern vehicles I drove were a nightmare | > to | >> work on. Totaly not user-friendly. As far as reliability, the modenr one | >> that was fuel injected required me to pour gas down the throttle body on | >> cold mornings. Never had to do that with any of my carbed cars, ever. | > Also, | >> my insurance was significantly more expensive with either of the | >> econo-box | >> type modern cars I drove than it was with my Galaxie, a comfortable | >> full-size car with a respectable amount of get-up-and-go. | >>

| >> Go ahead and tell me it's more expensive for me to own a classic car I | >> pay | >> less than $2500 for than it is to buy a brand new car I pay $20,000+ for. | >> I'd rather pay for my car all at once in cash than over 5-10 years. Your | >> logic seems quite flawed to me. Go ahead and explain to me how I am

100% | >> wrong about a new, or newer car being more expensive to own. I'm | > listening. | >>

| >> I won't deny brand new cars are normally very reliable for quite a few | >> years, but once things start wearing out it becomes very expensive. Even | >> many parts for modenr cars are a lot more expensive. To troubleshoot a | >> modern car often requires a code reader, another expense. Too much hassle | >> and extra cost for me. I'd rather stick to what I know and what has not | > let | >> me down. | >>

| >> Cory | >>

| > Cory, | >

| > You should have zipped it while you were behind, your reply did nothing to | > support you original position. | > Your statements examples and attitude are misguided and very unflattering. | >

| > You boorish rebuttal leaves you in a very poor light... | >

| > BTW: | > I have driven many fuel injected cars & trucks into the many 100's of | > thousands of miles and converted 2 from Carbureted to Fuel Injected, and | > have NEVER had to pour gas down any of them... | >

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: > I'm staying away from it until the bugs are found and worked out. It is : > nice to see some larger vehicles jumping on the band wagon. And with : > 295-hp, 335-lb-ft torque, it doesn't look too shabby. : : Seems a bit low on torque for a 5,000+ lb vehicle, but I suppose torque is : typical of the relatively small ejgine it has. I suppose they make up for it : with gearing, being as how it has an overdrive transmission. : : Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another : vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good. Too : difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older cars are : cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper parts cost, : and easy to do the work yourself. : : Cory : Yeah, and don't worry about all the crap your 30-year-old engine is pouring into the atmosphere, while burning about twice as much gas per mile as a modern car.

Paul

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Paul

I followed one of those Civic hybrids and it being stuck behind him at a stop light sucked. I'm not sure if it was the car or the driver, but I'd love to race people with those kind of reaction times at the strip. I might actualy have a chance.

MadDAWG

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MadDAWG

Why? Hybrids have a decent amount of torque straight off the line even with the gas engine off, since that's primarily when they use their electric motors.

It is a little disconcerting to be sitting in what seems like a dead car at a light, but if you plant your foot it'll take off quick enough. At least on my cousin's first generation Prius, the gas engine doesn't even kick in until 25 MPH or so.

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Garth Almgren

Maybe Chrysler will use it too? I hear one of their pickups gets about 9mpg.

-Rich

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RichA

Yep...Remember the first season the Tarus hit the track? The Chebby's couldn't keep up with them. So what happened? The Chebby guys cried to NASCAR, and NASCAR took some spoiler away from the Fords. Call that fair racing? I quit following NASCAR for this reason. I feel that if they start a season with a set of rules, they should use those rules for the whole season. If a certain car can't keep up with the others, then the drivers and crew of those cars should complain to the manufacturer to give them a better car. You don't see NHRA or IHRA constantly changing their rules. Sure, they cut back on the Nitro the top fuel cars could use, but it went across the board. Not just certain makes.

Gary

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GEB

"Cory Dunkle" wrote in news:WN2dnWwwnqqlai7cRVn- snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Cory, you are really making yourself out ot be an arse...

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Nicodemus Telrenner

Actually my engine is about 9 months old. My car gets only slightly worse mileage than a modern 'full-size' car (13-14 MPG around town, I've seen as high as 16.4-17 MPG on the highway) and would be equivalent if I had an overdrive transmission. I'll get better mileage when I put a bigger cam in and a bette rintake, as it will lower my compression so I can run more timing on a better curve. Also, whenever the transmission goes it will be replaced by an AOD, or if I decide to go crazy a T5. Then in will go gears i n the 3.50-3.77 range which will give better mileage around town and allow the engien to run at a better suited RPM in overdrive at highway speed.

A properly tuned small block in a full-size car is quite easy on the environment compared to all those 4 banger beaters you see spewing smoke out the exhaust and leaking oil and other fluids all over the place. Not to mention the obscene amount of pollution that goes into making a new car. It's easier on the environment to maintain older cars that are already built and the price in pollution to create them already paid than to buy a new car every 5-10 years and the gross amounts of pollution that goes into creating a new car.

So in around town driving, which is what at least 3/4 of my driving is these days, I get about the same mileage as a modern full-size car, and better than most trucks that soccer moms seem to drive these days. As far as pollution goes, my PCV valve works just fine and dandy.f I'll pass on the EGR valve, I want my mileage to go up, not down. Cat converters are way too expensive for myself, a college student, being as how they offer _ME_ no real benefit. Maybe someday down the road if I decide to go with the whole modern fuel injected 5.0 swap I'll do that, but I am leaning towards a 460 for the next time it needs a new engine.

Cory

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Cory Dunkle

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