turbonator

If your wallet is too full it will help make it more comfortable to sit. Other than that it's a waste of time.

Al

I couldn't have put it any better than that.....

P.T. Barnum once said "theres a sucker born every minute...". If these things were so good, every manufacturer would be installing them on the assembly line.

Sned them an email and ask how the "swirling effect" created at the throttlebody manages to continue swirling all the way through the tubes of the upper intake around curves, past the valves and into the combustion chamber. They won't reply.

When I see the TV commercials for these devices I just have to laugh. They promote the "tornado" effect as a good thing. In reality the "tornado" effect (aka vortex) is actually a sign of inefficient flow. When I design dam outlet control structures I have to specify where to put anti-vortex devices into the structure to improve its efficiency when conveying water. The theories behind these devices are bogus and I'm surprised the government hasn't hit them with a lawsuit for false advertising.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:17:45 +0000, muffster rearranged some electrons to form:

Pure snake oil.

From their web site:

35 HP boosts are not typical. Your results with the Turbonator will probably, but not necessarily, be less.

Actually I did see where the FTC sued one of them some time back. Made them change their claims.

thanks to all for answering my question

keith

Put them "Fire Injectors" on, Installed a Turbonator, Put a couple of cow magnets next to the fuel line. Poured in that there Slick 50. Only problem now is my car is getting such good gas mileage, I have to stop every 50 miles and drain some gas outta the tank! ;>)

Spike

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"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country, I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it." -JFK Inaugural Address

"muffster" wrote in news:ZdGDe.143605$tt5.92614@edtnps90:

Snake oil based on very specific requisites.

True, swirl DOES promote better gas/air mixture

- AND SOMETIMES cylinder fill Ford called it "HSC" for high swirl chamber in the 2.3 OHV's but that was at the opposite end.

and you will note that they only show the demo at wide Open Throttle

Because the long distance between the insert and the injectors/valves will negate any useful effect... esp at cruising where your throttle butterfly is almost closed anyway

But if you believe in it enough and click your heels three times after you install it you will swear you get both better milage and more power.

"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote

Couldn't you say the same thing about the 4-hole carb spacers with the "swirl" built in?

The cop in me always screams whenever I hear unsubstantiated claims made; whether by attorneys, or witnesses; to a judge or jury. Claims such as this are submitted by you and others before the public who act as judge and or jury... desiring to influence the verdict; in this case history's verdict. Soooo.....

Ah, but the proof is in the "EVIDENCE". Clinton admitted he lied, as you acknowledged. That's evidence of both immoral and illegal wrong-doing. As yet, where is the "PROOF" that Bush did anything immoral or illegal? It's so easy to say things which you can't prove, and which do not need to be proven in order to damage someone's reputation. .

Bring me PROOF which can be used to prosecute or impeach and I'll gladly stand with you, but let's not turn into a lynch mob society where we convict without evidence. Let's stick to the "PROVABLE FACTS" and not spread personal views held up as fact.

Before making unsubstantiated claims, ask of yourself, if YOU did something you believed was right, morally and legally, and there was no "evidence" of wrong doing on your part, would you want people going around making claims that 100,000 people died because you did something immoral and illegal? Would you enjoy having your family and friends hearing such allegations against you? Your children being taunted in school?

IF you just happen to be correct, then every soldier, sailor, and airman involved is also responsible for committing immoral and illegal acts resulting in the deaths of 100,000. So, too, is every Senator and Congressman who supported the President's actions, no matter what they use to justify that support, nor what they tell the voters today. It follows that every citizen who voted those Senators, Congressmen, and the President into office is responsible because....

NO MAN IS AN ISLAND "All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated...As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness....No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." John Donne Meditation XVII This famous meditation of Donne's puts forth two essential ideas which are representative of the Renaissance era in which it was written:

The idea that people are not isolated from one another, but that mankind is interconnected; and The vivid awareness of mortality that seems a natural outgrowth of a time when death was the constant companion of life. Donne brings these two themes together to affirm that any one man's death diminishes all of mankind, since all mankind is connected; yet that death itself is not so much to be feared as it at first seems.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On a lighter note.... "Ask not for whom the bell tolls; and you pay only the direct dial rate." The Power of Positive Pessimism Spike

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"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country, I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it." -JFK Inaugural Address

You must have missed Clinton's recent press release where he blamed himself for not acting and precipitation the deaths of 800,000 Rwandans. That DID happen.

-Rich

The proof has been all around you for several years. You obviously choose not to see it.

Sorry, I must have missed when Bush was tried and convicted for war crimes or impeached based upon the "PROOF" you say exists. !

There is a difference between proof and belief, between evidence and allegation. Again, when you provide proof; good solid factual evidence; I'll stand with you. But, so far there has been zero. Just a lost of allegations and accusations without the substance to back it up. If it was there, I have no doubt his opposition would have run screaming to appoint federal prosecutors.

Bet you'd be talking differently if some prosecutor had you over a barrel based upon you kind of proof.

Spike

1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40 16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial 225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country, I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it." -JFK Inaugural Address

I won't waste time responding to every point in this obviously biased attack. It has proven nothing except you own pre-conceived bias. The very beginning of your post is proof of that, as does your posted email address. You seem to be one of those who blames the US for the terrorist attack on 9/11, and ignores the idea that that was an immoral act of terror even according to the Koran and the majority of Muslims.

So, I have responded to the first couple of entries in order to reveal your bias.

I see nothing which PROVES when and how this happened. It purports to be documentation of US action, but could just as well be extremist action blamed on the US, and as we all know, there has been a lot of that throughout the middle east. Or were those attacks all generated by the Bush Administration using Black Ops people?

Would you deny that anyone would have reason to make the US look bad to the people of the Middle East in particular, and the world in general. Would you also deny that these photos might have been taken at any time, in any place in the Middle East.

Note, that this happens in every conflict. Note, too, that there is no mention that this "war" has had the lowest incidence of "collateral damage" of any war in modern history.

Sorry. Dead bodies DO NOT PROVE your position. They do not prove immorality, not terror directed at the citizens of Iraq. They "may" prove collateral damage during the conflict. There may be the smell of burnt cordite in the air, but you have yet to produce the physically smoking gun. A photo of someone having their brains blown out is documentary evidence. A picture of a dead body is only proof that a person is dead.

You are not a witness (neither am I). You have only quoted as a third party. Yet you are willing to accept anything you read or hear as long as it supports your position. Look at the quote where Bush claims God told him to go after Al Queda, and then told him to go after Saddam. Can you prove that God did not give Bush these instructions? I sure can't. Many of your citations are like this. Easy to say; to allude to, to allege; but not something which can be proven nor disproved.

You "may" be right about all this in the final analysis, however, at present, nothing you have offered is proof of anything you claim, in part because it is rife with bias.

There are many people who have the power, and I am sure they have sources equal to, and even far superior to yours, and yet it appears they do not feel there is sufficient substance to anything which has come their way, to take action against the President. And they are obviously anti-Bush. Why is it that you are so positive of what you cite? Can you read what it in the hearts and minds of others? Do you have ESP?

As stated, bring me PROOF which can be used in a court of law and I'll stand with you, but, I will not lynch someone based on unsubstantiated evidence. I will at least acknowledge that I may be wrong, but I will also, at least, wait for the proof; the cold, hard evidence.

In my mind, too many, on both sides, are quick to take a position and unwilling to consider even the remotest possibility that they may be wrong. Too many also judge based upon personal emotions, and not on evidence. Including ignoring what the "reasonable man" placed in a similar circumstance might do. The concept of walking a mile in someone's shoes before making judgment about them rings true.

Spike

1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40 16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial 225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country, I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it." -JFK Inaugural Address

Hey! I have an on topic (at least this topic!) joke.

What's a turbonator?

Spike

1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40 16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial 225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country, I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it." -JFK Inaugural Address