Re: Build An Attachment For Gas Engines To Use Water For Fuel

Water and diesel dont mix or does it ?i got told it dont.

I think the bottom line here is that while Hydrogen & Oxygen, which constitutes water, actually sounds like a dangerously explosive mixture, the energy required to seperate them to a usable/burnable form, is actually greater than the energy you would get back from their combustion.... Energy out = (Energy in - Losses in conversion) All these magic/secret/hocus pokus methods manage to fool some of the people some of the time because of the their freeing Hydrogen argument without explanation. (Or some technobabble B.S about high energy electrical pulses anyway)

All you really need is cold fusion, perhaps that's their secret ;-)

I liked the one about putting a magnet next to your fuel line, aligning all the fuel molecules causing your engine to be more efficient more than this one, it gave me a bigger laugh anyway.

Djimbo

Forty years ago when I drove a big diesel Post Office van the inspector filled it for me while I was at lunch. When it started running like a tractor I pulled into the workshops where the chief mechanic informed me in no uncertain terms that it was not a f-----g two stroke. Said inspector was extremely embarrassed, but not as embarrassed as he was two days later when he took the nozzle down from the top of the petrol pump and put it into a van to fill it and then proceeded to turn the handle (they were manually operated) on the diesel pump. He was standing underneath the diesel nozzle and I dare not type here what he said. It cost him a new suit. Twice actually because a few weeks later he did it again.

Further to your comment. They will mix when you are filling it, but if left to stand they will separate again because one is lighter than the other (I forget which) and you can then drain them off separately if the tank has a drain plug. Of course if you have attempted to start the engine it gets much more complicated.....

Back in the days of the MK 1 Ford Cortina (early 60's?) there was a Cortina converted to need no carburettor. The fuel tank had no breather hole at the top, instead a pipe led from outside to almost the bottom of the tank so air could only enter by bubbling up through the petrol resulting in a combustible vapour at the top. This was collected, using the suction of the engine intake, by a hose attached to the tank top and it lead straight into the engine via a butterfly throttle valve and some sort of safety device in case of blow back. It used far less petrol than the conventional design and the car performed much better. Of course the health and safety people nowadays would have a field day. Last I heard, one of the carburettor manufacturers (SU, Solex or whoever) was supposed to have bought the patent and killed it stone dead.

I am told that the grill things on the ground at filling stations are there to recycle the fumes given off when filling up. So you pay for the fuel then the garage gets some back!

Hi,

Water is heavier than fuel. Indeed, water is heavier than any fueling fluid I know. For information, density of fluids : water 1Kg / L, heavy fuel (Diesel) : .845Kg/L, petrol : .750Kg/L. So by opening the drain screw you allow water to run away, as it's heavier than fuel. The same way, as water is electrically conductive (which fuel isn't) you also have the principe of "water in fuel" indicators.

Regards,

-- G.T

Strictly speaking, pure water is an insulator.

I believe it was toyota that had a lean burn engine in their carina several years ago, the principle of it is the same, once a car is at speed you need less fuel to keep it up to speed and so you can run it with a leaner mixture.

i experimented with that on a light motorbike ( yamaha DT) by having air induction on the air filter side and a smaller venturi in the carburetor giving the air more speed over the nozzle

it allowed to reduce nozzle size by some 25% and thus having about the same effect on fuel consumption.

of course it meant that pulling away for first corner at traffic light pole position was out of the question but that time was made up for in spending less time at the petrol station

Of course the

the thing is with that principle that you have to have a more or les consistent fuel temperature in order to get the mixture right, i.e. the colder it gets the leaner the mixture will be. So i dont think the patent was killed, It might have died of natural causes

Hi,

Right, but rain, condensation residue or tap water aren't. Pure water is pretty uncommon, outside of physics laboratories or semiconductor plants ;-)

Regards,

-- G.T