latest SATURN HORROR STORY !!!

I'm new to this group but..... is this a Saturn Newsgroup or is it a MrFact Newsgroup....?? This is better'n than the comic section of the newspaper! lol

Hardwiring detectors is standard practice in new construction and commercial buildings. Of course what Michael Kormann did is not permitted by the electrical code, far too dangerous. And as another poster pointed out, if there is an electrical fire, and it is caused by violations of the electrical code, good luck collecting on your insurance.

Gee! I guess all the splices in my walls for permanent light fixtures put in by the electricial who wired my house, are temporary and dangerous. I think a good splice is done with metal ferules and then isolated with plastic tubing- then the whole thing wrapped with electrical tape. Maybe your definition of "splices" is different than mine.

Where would you hardwire a smoke detector into- YOUR PLUMBING?

detector wires with a good SPLICE.

Who is Marx404 and why is he so in love with rip-off companies like Saturn?

Hey cool I just tried out a feature on my newsreader that I've never used before. If it works like I think it should I wont be seeing anymore of mistercrap's post on my reader for a good long while. :D He was funny at first for being so unbelievably ignorant but man that got old real fast. Its time to stomp that troll back down under the bridge and march on for more relevant and intelligent post.

If there's an electrical fire, period. If it was caused by the violations, it's a no brainer - you're SOL. Even if it wasn't, than you're still going to have a hard time. Realistically, the ins co simply has to prove you've got a dangerous electrical system, and they're off the hook.

Oh course, if it was your bad wiring in an apartment, guess who pays for everyone else's dammage...

Connections for light fixtures are done inside a junction box, using wire nuts. I guarantee that no licensed electrician is going to risk his license by putting splices in walls!

Splicing wires inside walls is not done. If conduit is used, splices inside conduit are not done because they are not reliable when pulling wire. If Romex is used then splices are not allowed (except at junction boxes).

Electrical tape is NEVER used. When splicing is necessary, heat shrink tubing is placed over one wire, then the wires are twisted together with a butt splice, the wires are soldered, any sharp edges are filed down, and then the heat shrinkable tubing is slid over the wires and shrunken with a heat gun. This is the proper method when installing radios and alarms in vehicles.

Yeh well post this one: My wife purchased a Subaru Forrester last year. A friend saw the vehicle fell in love with it, and purchases a Forrester the next week. On the way home from the dealer, the engine blew.

Also, post this. My new Honda Civic came from the factory with a dented fender, I didn't realize this till I took it home. The Dealer at first tried to blame me.

Cars are just the s*it... Oh PS, my daughers new Ion is great. I think I made a mistake with the Honda...

Hardwired smoke detectors are pretty standard nowadays.

Mine works fine, so I left it alone but added extra smoke detectors as part of my alarm system. The whole alarm system (and thus the smoke detectors) is AC powered with battery backup and phone dialout which theoretically makes it more reliable than the original hardwired or a battery powered unit because

If misterfact were smarter, he could just use a low voltage DC-powered smoke detector that charges a battery (available CHEAP through any alarm supplier) and no one could give him any s*it about running whatever wire he likes because it's low voltage DC instead of line voltage AC.

-DanD