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Well, I am glad we are all on the same page again.

As far as the secret serial numbers go, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle, and there's no stuffing it back in.

Let's try to avoid the "numbers matching" madness that has infected some of the Brand X crowd. I'd like to suggest that SDC make it an official policy that the lack of a "correct secret serial number" on a Studebaker frame does not in and of itself disparage the authenticity of the car in question, and conversely, that the presence of such a number serves only to indicate that the car in question has led a relatively sheltered life since it rolled off the line.

The only instances where exceptions to this rule might occur would be in the event of an ownership dispute where a once-stolen car is recovered, or if two cars ever show up with the same serial number. Or, in other words, where outright fraud or theft are suspected. In such a case, the frame number might well be valuable supporting evidence.

And, as individuals, it might be worthwhile for us to look for and verify the "secret serial number" on the cars we do own, if for no other reason than to satisfy our curiosity. And additionally, it might not be a bad idea for us to stamp our initials or other identification into our Studebaker frames and engine blocks in an effort to make them identifiable in the event of theft or a fire. I've never stamped my cars, but it'd be easily done, and could be done in an obscure place so it would not deface the appearance. Most of my tools are engraved or stamped, and that's what inspired this thought.

Gord Richmond

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Gordon Richmond
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Crap... I hear Kumbaya music playing in the background... Jeff ( What color should Studebaker antifreeze be?) Rice

"Gord> >No need to apologize to me, I was having sellers remorse as you could

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Jeff Rice

He wasn't the only one confused. Paul Johnson (also confused)

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Paul Johnson

I'm curious as to how they would even know. I bought a '47 Commander 5-passenger coupe in the late '70s (that JP found for me and negotiated the price to half the original asking). It had a totally frozen engine (sitting in a back yard, spark plugs left out and hood ornament off- three holes in the hood directly above the engine). The car had a Maryland title and Maryland used the engine number as the VIN in those days. I bought a factory rebuilt short block and installed it. Fast forward 25 years. I decided to register the car. Now the VIN doesn't match the engine number. All I had to do was call the West Virginia State Police. A trooper came out, looked at the VIN on the doorpost, filled out a form and gave it to me. I took that and the old title to the DMV and registered the car- no sweat. Paul Johnson

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Paul Johnson

The frame (IMNOHO) is a PART of a car that if defective is often replaced to keep a vehicle alive, if we were talking a 2005 corvette there might be an issue, but a 40+ year old vehicle? be realistic! is there a market for "restamped" crossmembers?, how about the classic issue of engine numbers on pre-1955 vehicles?, what if? what if? what if a frog had a glass ass? it would only jump once.

John Poulos wrote:

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oldcarfart

Great idea, but SDC is not going to take a position either way. It's a issue between the buyer and seller. If you are a buyer and a numbers matching frame is important to you, seek out a car that has one that is readable, or has been made readable. If you are a seller and your frame number is non correct for a legitiment reason or unreadable, either restamp it or seek out buyers that could give a shit.

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Gord> Well, I am glad we are all on the same page again.

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John Poulos

Don't get smart with me, Mr. NEO NAZI! Hope that doesn't offend you, but some seem to think that American and Canidian LE officers fit that mold.

Wonder if they really know the difference?

Now, where is that rope?

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Dave Lester

Well, Ya gotta know what color it was "originally!"

JT

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Grumpy AuContraire

Ewwweeee... Now you brought us back to the "beginning." Still not addressed are the litigant issues that a buyer could raise under discovery.

JT

(Keepin' that pot o' shit stirred up... What an aroma!)

John Poulos wrote:

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Grumpy AuContraire

the bottle, and

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cars, but it'd be

appearance.

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John Poulos

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I'm going on huricane watch this week (aka vacation) on the Texas coast. See you next week.

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Loy Daniel

Have a great time!

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Dave Lester

thanks, Jerry Forrester check out my ebay store....

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