So you think a Subaru is for YOU...

He's probably having a hard time finding alt.dumb.horsesass.

Rick

So are Toyota Camrys.

There are some engineering choices that can lead to problems - mainly centered around the 2.5l engine. The US market was asking for more torque in an automatic transmission car, so SOA most likely sent their engineers to adapt a base- version of their bored-out WRC engine for mass-production. You can't turbo it without reinforcing the block and the head gaskets may fail over time. My 98 GT has 102k miles and hasn't had a problem.

That's it, really - everything else is a factor of how much technology is built into a car. E.g.: If you have power windows, they will fail after raising and lowering xxx times. If you have manual windows, the handle will come off. Such is life.

If you're a relatively intelligent person, you figure it out, take a screwdriver ( or find a good mechanic) and fix what's wrong. If you need help finding out what the problem is and no one can help you, you consult this newsgroup. If nothing helps, you sell the car, buy another brand and deal with different problems but why should you ever look back?

The trolls who popped up on this NG as of late are just that. I find them entertaining, but they do suffer from problems far greater than those of the subarus they so despise.

florian

Three clutches? Maybe manuals aren't for you?

You've hit a curb, bent the Alu wheel and didn't replace it...

.. and you've cooked your cat by driving 10k miles with the "check engine" light on?

You'd have a couple of valid points there if you didn't throw so much evidence of your own negligence in there.

florian

Very well put.

I've been hanging around this NG for about 5 years now. One of the things that initially surprised me back then was both the courtesy and lack of trolls, which of course are both somewhat unusual on a Usenet NG. In truth, we did have one resident troll back then, but he actually loved Subarus and kept his trolling on a more personal level. However, a couple months after the US release of the WRX, Subaru gained some popularity points and we started getting trolls.

Considering that, I'm simply inclined to believe that at least some of them are envious adolescents who are upset that their teal Chevrolet Beretta will never come close to rivaling a WRX. (Or a Loyale for that matter.)

-Matt

Probably...

Actually tho, from listening to him, I'd say he got canned (sacked) from either a Subaru dealership or SOA corporate.

Such is life!

And Toyotas AREN'T crap??? Worst damn car I ever owned was a Corolla. Would't even consider buying one of their POS cars ever again.

I'll admit Subarus were pretty crappy back in the 70s & 80s between the rust and the engines that only seemed to last 75,000 mi or so, but they seem to have gotten it right in the past 10 years or so. I'll admit they aren't for everybody but they seem to stand up pretty well these days. Yeah, they're kind of ugly, but that seems to be part of their charm.

The same could be said for all the Toyota hype. Mediocre cars. Miserable to work on. Uncomfortable as hell. Ergonomics suck. Never figured out why they got such a good image.

I'll admit that the cars sucked in the 70s and 80s, but they've improved immensely in the last 15 yr. or so. It seems to be a brand with an intense cult following...you either love 'em or you hate 'em. While I can't say I'm real "imprezzed" with the Impreza/WRX, the wagons are pretty decent cars.

Omigosh, Matt! You're not saying "Jimmy" is back, are you?

Rick

Back in the day, whenever I looked at a used one, they leaked lots of oil out of the valve cover gaskets, and were horribly underpowered.

My impression of Subes has changed a lot since then. I really like 'em these days.

Wrong. US Foresters come from Japan. Or, at least they did, if they don't now. Or, at least my '04 did, no question.

HW

It's unfortunate that anyone would rely on this NG to make a purchase decision. Wonderful repair advice is available here, but an amateur survey of owner satisfaction-type posts is so statistically insignificant as to be absurd. I have a 99 Outback (made in Indiana) that has been wonderful, but I don't post here just to announce it. On the other hand, the people with problems do post here (like the guy just the other day who wants to sell his WRX b/c the headlight lens is clouded! Sheesh). If you really want to make an educated decision and post accurate information on the NG, check Consumer Reports, edmonds, etc. -- your take on Subaru quality flies in the face of these owner satisfaction surveys.

Why did you keep the car so long?

Even doing all the work myself, I would have unloaded it long before 2 years worth of monthly maintenance, I don't care who made the car.

Coming to Subaru from a Jeep Cherokee I can confirm your thoughts on reliability. :)

Oh BTW Asus RULES.

That's not what makes you a troll. I have expressed my opinions about what I do not like about my Subaru, but I also share what I like about them as well.

Granted Subaru has some things to improve upon, but they do make a great vehicle. I like to work on my own vehicles and it's nice to open the hood and see the engine pointed the proper direction. I am not irritated when a car breaks down if I am able to make the repairs myself with reasonable accommodation.

Cars are imperfect devices built by imperfect people. They are going to breakdown from time to time. The severity of the breakdown and the ease of repair are two factors that keep me happy with my purchase. So far the Subaru is what I need in a car. The time may come that I become dissatisfied with them and move on to another vehicle. When that time comes, I will not spend all of my free time in this NG whining about how bad Subarus are. I think that is part of what makes a "troll".

I like Subies and Toyotas. In fact, right now there is a '84 Supra in my driveway and an '02 Subie Outback -- oh and hubby's '93 Ford Escort wagon (which is actually a Mazda).

June

splitting (they

Corolla.

"trouble-free"

Never