Interesting story about home automobile gasoline filling stations in residential property

Each agency _will_ have a record on file of every complaint. FOIF request should work.

Of course the simple way is for you to quit that idiotic schlepping of gas cans and great wasting of time.

Harry K

More nonsense. A neighbor sees someone storing large quantities of gasoline near his home. The guy has a 55 gallon drum, a pump and is regularly transporting around 10 five gallon cans of gasoline. He doesn't know exactly what the neighbor is doing, but from what he can see there is reasonable cause for concern. So the neighbor calls code and environmental officials to check it out.

I'd like to see a judge that is going to decide that constitutes harrassment. If the neighbor had a pattern of false accusations, contacting the authorities on various issues that were bogus, then he would have a case for harrassment. But all we have here is a neighbor that is concerned about storing large quantities of gas in a residential neighborhood where it could impact his home. He calls the authorities and says "My neighbor is storing what looks like large quantities of gasoline on his property. He has a 55 gallon drum, he's pumping it, etc. Is that allowed in a residential neighborhood? Can you check it out?" I might have done the same thing. It's all true and doesn't come close to harrassment.

As for getting fingerprints off documents and forensic labs for this kind of nonsense, you've been watching too much TV.

Sure, I can see a judge granting a subpoena for someone's private phone records for a nonsense case like this. Get real.

Oh yeah, I can see the DA getting all over this. Mr. DA, I've been storing large quantities of gas on my property, pumping it, cans etc. Some unknown neighbor called code and environmental officials. That's harrassment! I want you to subpoena my neighbors phone records, cell records, etc. Maybe they should waterboard them too. The DA would throw you out of his office.

So, if I call code enforcement for the town and they say it doesn't violate zoning, then I can't also call the fire marshall to see if there is a fire safety issue? I can't call the EPA to see if there is an environmental restriction that could cover what he is doing?

Only if it's extensive or the allegations are lies. All I see here is a neighbor with a legitimate safety concern who ran the concern through multiple agency that have legitimate involvement with the issue.

As for the OP, as some folks have suggested, he should make his insurance company aware of what he's doing. I'd send them a letter. And even then, how about this. Some vandal decides to use one of his 5 gallon cans to set the whole thing on fire. The resulting fire kills two people living next door and leaves a third disabled for life. Unlike your subpoena for harrassment, that case is real. And how long do you think it would take a jury to decide that the OP was responsible for a whole host of reasons. Everything from maintaining an extreme hazard on his property, to no properly securing it, etc? And when they get a $10 million judgement, then what?

Cigarettes temp changes with air. If it's tossed, temp spikes.

Greg

Not having to go to the gas station ever again is one of the great appeals of all-electric cars. These days, going to the gas station is a big drag.

I hate filling my own tank, especially in the winter. I don't know which is worse though. If I had a stupid Volt, I'd have to plug it in every night, then plug it in every day at work. So, it is easier to fill with gas once a week or plug and unplug 10 to 12 times a week?

I know electric heat is more expensive than fuel heat (at least in NYS). I'm guessing electric travel is more expensive. And then, the question of how many miles on a fill up, and how expensive the batteries when they die. With all those concerns, I'll stick with gasoline or diesel vehicles.

What's the miles range on the volt? 40 or so per charge? A loser, compared to gasoline.

???how is going to the gas station a big drag "these days" as opposed to doing the same thing years ago? I see no difference today from 50 years ago except that now I have to pump my own gas.

Harry K

Now days, I can stick in my credit card, and not even have to go in. Which is nice, considering some stores have one door going in, and one to go out. To get in and out, you have to walk through the entire store.

And Gomer Pyle doesn't come out and tell me Goober says hey.

How about we just use induction charging. You just park over the pad and you get out of the car and do nothing. Would that work? ?

Heating stuff by running electricity through some wire is not an efficient way to produce heat. It's more efficient to use the electricity to run electric motors in a heat pump. At least, that's the way we heat water in our building. Burning fuel in an internal combustion engine is not an efficient way to produce rotary motion. Isn't most of it wasted heat?

I'm getting older.

"worker bee" wrote in message news:jbc1vg$ebv$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org...

Years ago, I had house that backed up to a drainage easment (i.e., an open ditch). As it turned out, I owned both side of the easment (ditch). The easment was lined with rip-rap. When I got the house, the neighbor behind me routinely weed wacked the ditch. I decided that I wanted to plant trees to shade out the easment. So, I bought a buch of trees and planted them on both sides of the ditch. Of course this meant the guy had to stop weed wacking the ditch. Meanwhile, I also fenced in my backyard, The fenced in area did not include the ditch. I got all the proper permits for the fence. As it turns out, the house next to me on one side was very close to my property line and in fact most of their "backyard" was actually my backyard becasue of the way their house was located on the property (it was corner lot and the house was angled to face the intersection and pushed way back on the lot). So, once I built the fence, they essentially had no backyard. Shorthly after building the fence, I got a letter from the city telling me I had to clean up the ditch, or they would do it for me and charge me $300. I immeadiately called down and asked for an explanation. They said they had a complaint. I asked under what ordinance they were threatening me. They sent me a book with the infomration. It was clear I was not in violation (wooded areas, flood plains and drainage easements were specifically exempt from the particular ordinace cited). I expalined this to the burecrat in charge. They said it didn't matter and that if I didn't want to have them clean it up, I would need to present my case to the city council. I said no problem, I'd be happy to. The fact was, this same drainage easment (ditch) went throughout the sub-division and only one hudred yards or so wasn't wooded. I was just updating my portion to be a wooded area. I assumed that I would be notified when I needed to appears and that I would have time to prepare my case. Ha! I was called the next day and said I need to come to the council meeting that night. I complained that I need time to prepare my slides (I planned to present the ordinates on a slide, with the exemptions and pictures of the easement in other parts of the sub-division.). Finally a somewhat friendlier bureacrat said she would remove my name from the council schedule and round file the complaint. As long as they didn't get another call, I was OK. Apparently they never did get another call becasue I never had to do anything. If you go by that house today, It has a nice wooded area in the rear with a variety of interesting trees that looks a heck of a lot better than a rock lined ditch.

Ed

Do you mean 'Will it work?" -- or 'will it work for Ed?'?

I just saw this this morning on ZDNet-

So apparently it *will* work. It would work for me. Can't speak for Ed.

Jim

My guess is that it could be anyone that lives near you doing this. Just be glad the person or persons responsible ain't doing anything really awful. Maybe they're just interested in the safety of your neighborhood. This seems reasonable and responsible to me. Forget about it.

You got me... I deliberately left it ambiguous because I'm making an effort to not sound like a sarcastic asshole all the time. How am I doing? (-:

They can embed induction coils in the roadways so you can charge your cars while driving too. I'd like to see gasoline cars do that! No seriously... I'd like to be able to gas up my car while driving. That would be pretty damn exciting!

ZDNet-

I think we get those 5 years after the too-cheap to meter nuclear power plant generated electricity is used to power heating elements in the roads to thaw any snow that falls on them.

Just buy a tanker truck and the parts used for air-to-air refueling and put it all together.

That sure gives me a warm feeling. I doubt it will ever work. Think of the EMF needed. Wipe out every floppy disk for miles around, and every cassette tape, or reel to reel tape.