Which of these 4 spots (2 on tire, 2 on wheel) are supposed to be lined up?

You missed the point that Michelin DOES dot mark and the statement above that Michelin doesn't dot mark.

I was responding specifically to the quote "they don't dot mark". I proved *they* (i.e., Michelin) clearly do dot mark.

It took two seconds to prove that statement. It would simply take longer to find a similar reference for automotive tires - but there is no need - because clearly Michelin *does* dot mark.

hey jb why do you just make this stuff up? just view runout and match mounting at

blue bmw wrote in news:ks9ic7$mhd$ snipped-for-privacy@news.albasani.net:

Speaking of not making sense... I didn't say that.

Idiot.

You said my comment was irrational.

Then you agreed that expecting correct torque is rational.

You can't have it both ways.

blue bmw wrote in news:ks9dia$mhd$ snipped-for-privacy@news.albasani.net:

Not a whole lot.

blue bmw wrote in news:ks9sat$mhd$ snipped-for-privacy@news.albasani.net:

Hmph. I notice you snipped the part where you claimed I said something that I didn't.

No, I said that aligning a set of meaningless dots is irrational.

Yes.

Sure I can -- there are good and valid engineering reasons for torquing fasteners to a particular tightness and no tighter, and expecting that is perfectly rational. That's not the case with your silly tire dots, which are there only to delude the weak-minded into believing that they're actually doing something important to improve vehicle performance. I'd bet a hundred bucks that you can't tell the difference behind the wheel.

no, he wants it the straight way. you're resorting to wriggling and squirming because the facts don't suit you.

you're good as assessing technical competence on usenet as you are in tire shops!

i /love/ sleepers. people driving flash motors with "arrest me" written all over them need their head testing.

so why do they use macpherson strut? [rhetorical]

they care deeply about quality. but only so as they can make their bathtub curve well defined.

????

- but I'm not arguing that in this thread

yeah, you're too busy with other bullshit!

true. i just drive on airfields.

that's the risk you run, but i'd rather that personally than have them run all over town making up stories about whether or not you can do your job. but this started out as a way to discourage jerks, so it's all academic unless you have the ability to spot them first. if they're a jerk and they run their mouth, chances are, only other jerks will listen.

geoff, case in point!!!

and yet i've bought 10 brand new factory fresh michelin tires in the last 3 years - not a single dot. but you'd know this is you'd bothered to check your facts.

you're twisting the facts. you quoted an installation guide for aircraft tires - ones that have dots on them. michelin car tires, even their high end pilot series, don't have them. i've checked my facts on this. you're just wriggling and squirming.

don't put false words in my mouth - i never said any such thing. and DO NOT snip context to twist the truth.

oh, i'm a fool alright - i'm wasting time trying to get you to man up to the facts when you're clearly incapable.

as i've said before, i've bought 10 new michelins in the last 3 years -

I didn't say anything about 25%. Where the hell did you get that?

They should have simply they said they couldn't do it "your way" and asked you to leave.

GW